怎么样才能让墙内人相信俄军的进展很不顺利呢?
我引用了泽连斯基的话,说乌克兰已经打死了12000名俄军。他们表示不信:乌克兰的话怎么能信呢?(我到现在也没明白过来他们为什么对乌克兰满满的恶意?因为乌克兰要收复顿茨涅克和卢甘斯克,以及克里米亚?)
我说俄罗斯死了两名少将,这个是俄罗斯通讯社报道的(我也忘记是不是俄罗斯通讯社报道的了,反正我可能造了个谣),他们似乎还是不信。
他们认为现在俄军进展缓慢,只是俄军不想打。俄军把几个城市都重重包围了。
我想我除非引用俄罗斯的媒体报道,否则他们都会觉得你是在瞎说,你是被洗脑了。
我对外网相信是因为在俄罗斯入侵之前,美国已经提前警告了俄罗斯的入侵。这个已经很清楚的显示了美国人情报的准确性。
当然有葱友可能会说:墙内人信不信不重要,不要试图改变墙内人的思想。我其实不想改变他们的思想观点,我仅仅是想刷新一下他们的事实。我们只要提供给事实即可。至于观点,只好他们自己推导得出。
我说俄罗斯死了两名少将,这个是俄罗斯通讯社报道的(我也忘记是不是俄罗斯通讯社报道的了,反正我可能造了个谣),他们似乎还是不信。
他们认为现在俄军进展缓慢,只是俄军不想打。俄军把几个城市都重重包围了。
我想我除非引用俄罗斯的媒体报道,否则他们都会觉得你是在瞎说,你是被洗脑了。
我对外网相信是因为在俄罗斯入侵之前,美国已经提前警告了俄罗斯的入侵。这个已经很清楚的显示了美国人情报的准确性。
当然有葱友可能会说:墙内人信不信不重要,不要试图改变墙内人的思想。我其实不想改变他们的思想观点,我仅仅是想刷新一下他们的事实。我们只要提供给事实即可。至于观点,只好他们自己推导得出。
已隐藏
這位俄羅斯戰俘講話,我覺得表達得蠻清楚的,所以大致翻譯為中文如下,當然不信的人也是有的。
我的帳號還沒有權限發文,所以張貼在這則回覆。
影片連結如下(已有人將俄文翻譯成英文字幕)
https://twitter.com/igorsushko/status/1503549771847405570
Some Russian captives told that they had to 'resque' Ukraine from something
提問人:「有的俄軍戰俘說他們被告知是要來解救烏克蘭,」
that people would welcome you here
提問人:「而且烏克蘭很歡迎」
were you also told this?
提問人:「你也是這樣被告知的嗎?」
(以下是獨白答覆,有些簡譯或不確定的地方,以括號標示)
Sure, we were told that Ukraine allegedly, we were told this while being in Russia via media that Ukraine is dominated
是的,在俄羅斯的時候,我們被告知可能是這樣的情況,媒體告訴我們,烏克蘭被控制了
literally, I'm 100% wrong now
現在看是100%錯了
don't judge too harshly
(先不要批判我)
Ukraine's territory is dominated by fascists' regime
nationalists, Nazis have seized power
(也就是說,烏克蘭被法西斯政權控制了,納粹掌權)
ordinary people need some help to get rid of this... 'yoke'
平民老百姓需要幫忙,解除這個軛
This was the aim
這是目的
Obviously, this information was unilateral information
顯然這是單方面的資訊
Of course, we have Internet
當然我們也有網路
Sometimes we get something from some other sources....
有時候也有其他管道
We could do a little analysis
或者是做一點分析
but we had some doubts
我們有些懷疑
we did not know the situation for sure
(我們不確定發生了什麼事)
I personally... just when we entered this territory
(我個人是...直到我進到這片領土)
when I watched the address of the professional boxers - your boxers
當我看到職業拳擊手的談話
Back home I always loved watching them
我本來就一直很喜歡看他們
Usyk and Lomachenko
(兩位拳擊手的名字)
they are my favorite
他們是我最喜歡的
I mean that when I say it.
我是說真的
These people are just ready to take arms
他們說準備好迎戰
they told: 'We didn't call you here'
他們說:『我們沒有叫你們來』
and I feel shame that we came to this country, to this territory, Ukraine's territory
我感到丟臉,我們來到這個國家,烏克蘭的領土
This woman is just standing and crying...
這裡有個女人在哭
I feel shame.
我覺得丟臉
I don't know, why we were doing it.
我不知道為什麼我們做這件事
We knew very little
我們知道的很少
We were too little in our thoughts
我們想得太少了
We brought sorrow to this land
我們給這裡帶來憂傷
Don't know - how many time is needed to purge everything
Is this redemption possible?
(這些錯誤不知道要多久的時間才洗得乾淨,還有贖罪的可能嗎?)
We will go to jail or whatever we deserve...
We're ready for everything.
(我們下牢是罪有應得,或者任何處置,我們接受)
But, will it mean a redemption?
但即使如此就是贖罪嗎?
I feel sorry for people left in Russia
我對於留在俄國的人感到難過
They are not guilty
Their guilt is that they are misinformed.
(他們不是罪人,他們的錯是因為他們得到錯誤的訊息)
Some do not even have Internet
有些人連網路都沒有
They have no chance to use something alternative
沒有其他選擇
They are constantly brain-washed
持續地被洗腦
They get this unilateral information
接受單方面的資訊
that Ukraine is seized by fascists, etc.
說烏克蘭被法西斯佔據了等等
Maybe I really deserved to learn this lession
Oh Lord. So I could finally see and try to tell it to those, who are in Russia
(也許我活該遇到這樣的教訓,才能明白,才能回去說明)
Maybe, they do not really realize, what's going on here
也許他們還沒弄清楚這裡發生了什麼事
I'm frank with you
真的
For those who would watch this video
也許你看到我說的這段話
you might think about me whatever you want
你們可能自有解讀
That I was forced, intimidated or the text was prepared in advance
可能認為我是被威脅或是照著稿子講的
whatever
I'll give it to you straight
不管怎樣,我直說
If someone came to my territory, I would do the same this people did.
如果有人侵犯我的領土,我也會做一樣的事,跟這些人一樣
And I would be right!
如果我這麼做,我是對的
And they are right now.
就像他們現在是對的
While I have to sit here and offer excuses!
I do not understand, what am I offerring these excuses for.
(我感覺自己在這裡只是講一堆無用的藉口,侵略的藉口)
My grandpa fought!
我的爺爺也是對抗(侵略者)
I am here like a death-squads member
This is my personal feeling concerning Russian armed forces.
If they can hear me.
(我說這些話像有必死的決心,想對俄羅斯軍隊說話,如果他們聽得到的話)
Guys,
Be brave!
勇敢地
It's easier for me, I'm in this situation already. You are in a tense situation
我這樣說的容易(我知道實際做起來很難)
going against your own commander
起來反抗你們的指揮官
But this is genocide. The people are just killed
但這是種族屠殺,這裡的人被殺
Ukrainia people and we, as Russians, get our...
for innvading foreign country.
this is right.
From the one hand, this is not right.
from the other, this is right.
From Ukraine's side this is right,
from Russia's side, that's wrong
(一邊看來是對的事,在另一邊看來是錯的)
Russia cannot win here anyway.
俄軍在這裡不會贏
All the variants are obvious
各種跡象都很明顯
Even if we go till the very end
即使我們堅持打到最終的結果
I hope this will never happen though
但願不用走到那一步
we can invade the territory, but we cannot invade the people
(我們可以佔領土地,但是沒辦法佔領民心)
we would not be able to keep this territory
(我們也保留不住這個地方)
And total emptiness would be around us
We would live like on the island.
我們周圍什麼也不剩,我們就像活在一個孤島上
No one would talk to us.
沒有人要再跟我們說話
And this would be fair!
(這是公平的報應)
Russian would be ashamed to confess that he's Russian!
俄國人將沒有臉承認自己是俄國人
He would always get thump on the head
他抬不起頭
for the deeds we do now.
因為我們現在所做的事
I'm begging you
我求你們
stop until it's too late
在無可挽救以前就停下來
Give us a chance to come back home
讓我們有活著回去的機會
Make a right choice
做正確的決定
go back home
回家吧
people start rallying there
(俄國開始有抗議活動)
they begin to realize something
not too much but still
our task is to avoid total destruction of these two nations
(儘管知道的不多,但已經開始意識到,我們必須阻止雙方同歸於盡)
This is terrible
這會很可怕
I've never seen anything before
我不曾遭遇這樣的事
Never thought that at the end of my life I would face something like that!
(也沒想過終其一生會面對這樣的事)
this opportunity
I do not need it
My mom does not need it!
(沒有人需要這樣的事,我不需要,我媽媽也不需要)
I can only imagine her emotional state...
(我無法想像她的情緒)
I'd like to add something
我想再補充一些
I cannot find the words to say sorry to Ukrainan people
沒有適當的話語能表達我的歉意
If you find enough find the strength to move past the memory
如果你們能找到力量克服這些惡夢般的回憶
If no...
we will understand you
如果不行,這也是可理解的
We will not succeed without your help here
(但若沒有你們的幫助,我們無法獨自完成的事)
What do I mean?
我的意思是什麼呢
People in Russian army and in Federal National Guard Troops Service
located here
many of them are just embarassed
(俄軍裡很多人感到很為難)
they do not want war!
他們不想要戰爭
They do not want to kill you, Ukrainians.
也不想殺烏克蘭人
Trust me.
相信我
It might sound weired
也許聽起來很奇怪
people with weapons came to your land do not mean to kill you
(帶著武器的人來到你家卻不是要殺你)
But I 100% assure you
但我100%保證
ask anyone
可以問任何一個人
no one wants to kill
沒有人要殺人
I'm not talking about the captives
just go to Russia and asks
do you need Ukrainians' blood?
(即使你去俄國問看看:「你想要烏克蘭的血嗎」)
I'm sure that only an idiot would say 'yes'
只有瘋子才會說是
or not even Ukrainian - a blood of some other man!
(不要說是烏克蘭的血,即使是其他什麼人的血)
this is just a disease, this is called cannibalism
(那是一種病,食人魔之類的)
so...
help us deal with this problem, we have a real problem
請幫助我們,我們需要處理的問題
we won't be able to stop right now,
the flywheel has already started
(啟動的飛輪只會越轉越快,停不下來)
therefore, with your help
所以,請幫忙
to those who surrender as prisoners
pluck up your courage!
save their health and life
對待那些投降的戰俘,以你們的勇氣留下他們的性命
what is it for?
為什麼呢
because if you make efforts to ensure that the maximum number of them die
what is it for
(如果你們把力氣花在盡可能殺掉最多的人,這有什麼意義?)
no one will come to our homeland and no one tell about what happened here
那就沒有人活著回去說這裡發生的事了
it's easier to kill than to give birth to someone
殺一個人比生一個人容易多了
even if a third of those, who come back,
will be able to tell about it correctly
this will already be a big benefit
(即使只有一部分人能活下來,活著回去說真話,那就很不一樣了)
and thanks to you this will happen
and thanks to your country you will become winners not only physically
(如果這樣的話,要感謝你們成全,你們將是贏家,不只是身體與物質上的勝利)
but also spiritually
it is very important
you just knock everyone to the ground
(而且是精神上的,勝利)
I just sincerely hope for your mercy towards those people
who will come out to you with their hands up
or those wounded
我真心希望你們從寬對待那些投降的人、受傷的人
we should not sow death
it's better to sow life
我們不應該散播死亡,應該散播的是生命
and now you have a great oppurnity to do so
that's all
(接著是另一位戰俘說話,他提到他們都有受傷,但也都有接受醫療照護,現在他晚上聽著防空警報聲,希望自己不要被炸死,因為據稱武器只瞄準軍事設備,但實際並不是)
我的帳號還沒有權限發文,所以張貼在這則回覆。
影片連結如下(已有人將俄文翻譯成英文字幕)
https://twitter.com/igorsushko/status/1503549771847405570
Some Russian captives told that they had to 'resque' Ukraine from something
提問人:「有的俄軍戰俘說他們被告知是要來解救烏克蘭,」
that people would welcome you here
提問人:「而且烏克蘭很歡迎」
were you also told this?
提問人:「你也是這樣被告知的嗎?」
(以下是獨白答覆,有些簡譯或不確定的地方,以括號標示)
Sure, we were told that Ukraine allegedly, we were told this while being in Russia via media that Ukraine is dominated
是的,在俄羅斯的時候,我們被告知可能是這樣的情況,媒體告訴我們,烏克蘭被控制了
literally, I'm 100% wrong now
現在看是100%錯了
don't judge too harshly
(先不要批判我)
Ukraine's territory is dominated by fascists' regime
nationalists, Nazis have seized power
(也就是說,烏克蘭被法西斯政權控制了,納粹掌權)
ordinary people need some help to get rid of this... 'yoke'
平民老百姓需要幫忙,解除這個軛
This was the aim
這是目的
Obviously, this information was unilateral information
顯然這是單方面的資訊
Of course, we have Internet
當然我們也有網路
Sometimes we get something from some other sources....
有時候也有其他管道
We could do a little analysis
或者是做一點分析
but we had some doubts
我們有些懷疑
we did not know the situation for sure
(我們不確定發生了什麼事)
I personally... just when we entered this territory
(我個人是...直到我進到這片領土)
when I watched the address of the professional boxers - your boxers
當我看到職業拳擊手的談話
Back home I always loved watching them
我本來就一直很喜歡看他們
Usyk and Lomachenko
(兩位拳擊手的名字)
they are my favorite
他們是我最喜歡的
I mean that when I say it.
我是說真的
These people are just ready to take arms
他們說準備好迎戰
they told: 'We didn't call you here'
他們說:『我們沒有叫你們來』
and I feel shame that we came to this country, to this territory, Ukraine's territory
我感到丟臉,我們來到這個國家,烏克蘭的領土
This woman is just standing and crying...
這裡有個女人在哭
I feel shame.
我覺得丟臉
I don't know, why we were doing it.
我不知道為什麼我們做這件事
We knew very little
我們知道的很少
We were too little in our thoughts
我們想得太少了
We brought sorrow to this land
我們給這裡帶來憂傷
Don't know - how many time is needed to purge everything
Is this redemption possible?
(這些錯誤不知道要多久的時間才洗得乾淨,還有贖罪的可能嗎?)
We will go to jail or whatever we deserve...
We're ready for everything.
(我們下牢是罪有應得,或者任何處置,我們接受)
But, will it mean a redemption?
但即使如此就是贖罪嗎?
I feel sorry for people left in Russia
我對於留在俄國的人感到難過
They are not guilty
Their guilt is that they are misinformed.
(他們不是罪人,他們的錯是因為他們得到錯誤的訊息)
Some do not even have Internet
有些人連網路都沒有
They have no chance to use something alternative
沒有其他選擇
They are constantly brain-washed
持續地被洗腦
They get this unilateral information
接受單方面的資訊
that Ukraine is seized by fascists, etc.
說烏克蘭被法西斯佔據了等等
Maybe I really deserved to learn this lession
Oh Lord. So I could finally see and try to tell it to those, who are in Russia
(也許我活該遇到這樣的教訓,才能明白,才能回去說明)
Maybe, they do not really realize, what's going on here
也許他們還沒弄清楚這裡發生了什麼事
I'm frank with you
真的
For those who would watch this video
也許你看到我說的這段話
you might think about me whatever you want
你們可能自有解讀
That I was forced, intimidated or the text was prepared in advance
可能認為我是被威脅或是照著稿子講的
whatever
I'll give it to you straight
不管怎樣,我直說
If someone came to my territory, I would do the same this people did.
如果有人侵犯我的領土,我也會做一樣的事,跟這些人一樣
And I would be right!
如果我這麼做,我是對的
And they are right now.
就像他們現在是對的
While I have to sit here and offer excuses!
I do not understand, what am I offerring these excuses for.
(我感覺自己在這裡只是講一堆無用的藉口,侵略的藉口)
My grandpa fought!
我的爺爺也是對抗(侵略者)
I am here like a death-squads member
This is my personal feeling concerning Russian armed forces.
If they can hear me.
(我說這些話像有必死的決心,想對俄羅斯軍隊說話,如果他們聽得到的話)
Guys,
Be brave!
勇敢地
It's easier for me, I'm in this situation already. You are in a tense situation
我這樣說的容易(我知道實際做起來很難)
going against your own commander
起來反抗你們的指揮官
But this is genocide. The people are just killed
但這是種族屠殺,這裡的人被殺
Ukrainia people and we, as Russians, get our...
for innvading foreign country.
this is right.
From the one hand, this is not right.
from the other, this is right.
From Ukraine's side this is right,
from Russia's side, that's wrong
(一邊看來是對的事,在另一邊看來是錯的)
Russia cannot win here anyway.
俄軍在這裡不會贏
All the variants are obvious
各種跡象都很明顯
Even if we go till the very end
即使我們堅持打到最終的結果
I hope this will never happen though
但願不用走到那一步
we can invade the territory, but we cannot invade the people
(我們可以佔領土地,但是沒辦法佔領民心)
we would not be able to keep this territory
(我們也保留不住這個地方)
And total emptiness would be around us
We would live like on the island.
我們周圍什麼也不剩,我們就像活在一個孤島上
No one would talk to us.
沒有人要再跟我們說話
And this would be fair!
(這是公平的報應)
Russian would be ashamed to confess that he's Russian!
俄國人將沒有臉承認自己是俄國人
He would always get thump on the head
他抬不起頭
for the deeds we do now.
因為我們現在所做的事
I'm begging you
我求你們
stop until it's too late
在無可挽救以前就停下來
Give us a chance to come back home
讓我們有活著回去的機會
Make a right choice
做正確的決定
go back home
回家吧
people start rallying there
(俄國開始有抗議活動)
they begin to realize something
not too much but still
our task is to avoid total destruction of these two nations
(儘管知道的不多,但已經開始意識到,我們必須阻止雙方同歸於盡)
This is terrible
這會很可怕
I've never seen anything before
我不曾遭遇這樣的事
Never thought that at the end of my life I would face something like that!
(也沒想過終其一生會面對這樣的事)
this opportunity
I do not need it
My mom does not need it!
(沒有人需要這樣的事,我不需要,我媽媽也不需要)
I can only imagine her emotional state...
(我無法想像她的情緒)
I'd like to add something
我想再補充一些
I cannot find the words to say sorry to Ukrainan people
沒有適當的話語能表達我的歉意
If you find enough find the strength to move past the memory
如果你們能找到力量克服這些惡夢般的回憶
If no...
we will understand you
如果不行,這也是可理解的
We will not succeed without your help here
(但若沒有你們的幫助,我們無法獨自完成的事)
What do I mean?
我的意思是什麼呢
People in Russian army and in Federal National Guard Troops Service
located here
many of them are just embarassed
(俄軍裡很多人感到很為難)
they do not want war!
他們不想要戰爭
They do not want to kill you, Ukrainians.
也不想殺烏克蘭人
Trust me.
相信我
It might sound weired
也許聽起來很奇怪
people with weapons came to your land do not mean to kill you
(帶著武器的人來到你家卻不是要殺你)
But I 100% assure you
但我100%保證
ask anyone
可以問任何一個人
no one wants to kill
沒有人要殺人
I'm not talking about the captives
just go to Russia and asks
do you need Ukrainians' blood?
(即使你去俄國問看看:「你想要烏克蘭的血嗎」)
I'm sure that only an idiot would say 'yes'
只有瘋子才會說是
or not even Ukrainian - a blood of some other man!
(不要說是烏克蘭的血,即使是其他什麼人的血)
this is just a disease, this is called cannibalism
(那是一種病,食人魔之類的)
so...
help us deal with this problem, we have a real problem
請幫助我們,我們需要處理的問題
we won't be able to stop right now,
the flywheel has already started
(啟動的飛輪只會越轉越快,停不下來)
therefore, with your help
所以,請幫忙
to those who surrender as prisoners
pluck up your courage!
save their health and life
對待那些投降的戰俘,以你們的勇氣留下他們的性命
what is it for?
為什麼呢
because if you make efforts to ensure that the maximum number of them die
what is it for
(如果你們把力氣花在盡可能殺掉最多的人,這有什麼意義?)
no one will come to our homeland and no one tell about what happened here
那就沒有人活著回去說這裡發生的事了
it's easier to kill than to give birth to someone
殺一個人比生一個人容易多了
even if a third of those, who come back,
will be able to tell about it correctly
this will already be a big benefit
(即使只有一部分人能活下來,活著回去說真話,那就很不一樣了)
and thanks to you this will happen
and thanks to your country you will become winners not only physically
(如果這樣的話,要感謝你們成全,你們將是贏家,不只是身體與物質上的勝利)
but also spiritually
it is very important
you just knock everyone to the ground
(而且是精神上的,勝利)
I just sincerely hope for your mercy towards those people
who will come out to you with their hands up
or those wounded
我真心希望你們從寬對待那些投降的人、受傷的人
we should not sow death
it's better to sow life
我們不應該散播死亡,應該散播的是生命
and now you have a great oppurnity to do so
that's all
(接著是另一位戰俘說話,他提到他們都有受傷,但也都有接受醫療照護,現在他晚上聽著防空警報聲,希望自己不要被炸死,因為據稱武器只瞄準軍事設備,但實際並不是)