=====搏击俱乐部=====（情绪发泄专楼）
政治环境残酷，来品葱的朋友们难免有情绪。在讨论时，本来想心平气和地说事，却控制不了自己，非要钻进牛角尖争个高下。
这是人之常情。
因此，搏击俱乐部开张。
简单来说，就是个情绪发泄专楼，本楼允许一切政治不正确、脏话、扣帽子、人身攻击等不文明、无逻辑言论。
搏击俱乐部规矩有三：
1. 仅限文字，不发图片；
2. 不主动寻衅，本楼是用来发泄情绪，不是用来制造更多情绪的（发泄时请勿at、回复他人）；
3. 不可因本楼内言论在其他地方争吵、报复。出了本楼，一切放下。What happens in the club, stays in the club.
搏击俱乐部潜规则：
不使用踩赞功能。如果你特别想踩赞，可以踩赞之后再取消，在投票纪录中留下自己的痕迹。
欢迎愤怒的人。
欢迎痛苦的人。
欢迎悲伤的人。
欢迎无聊的人。
不欢迎恶意的人。老板认识很多白道大佬，【警黑合作】可不是说着玩的。
时间倒序爱好者可走后门：https://pincong.rocks/article/id-5850__sort-DESC
这是人之常情。
因此，搏击俱乐部开张。
简单来说，就是个情绪发泄专楼，本楼允许一切政治不正确、脏话、扣帽子、人身攻击等不文明、无逻辑言论。
搏击俱乐部规矩有三：
1. 仅限文字，不发图片；
2. 不主动寻衅，本楼是用来发泄情绪，不是用来制造更多情绪的（发泄时请勿at、回复他人）；
3. 不可因本楼内言论在其他地方争吵、报复。出了本楼，一切放下。What happens in the club, stays in the club.
搏击俱乐部潜规则：
不使用踩赞功能。如果你特别想踩赞，可以踩赞之后再取消，在投票纪录中留下自己的痕迹。
欢迎愤怒的人。
欢迎痛苦的人。
欢迎悲伤的人。
欢迎无聊的人。
不欢迎恶意的人。老板认识很多白道大佬，【警黑合作】可不是说着玩的。
时间倒序爱好者可走后门：https://pincong.rocks/article/id-5850__sort-DESC
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I was bitten by a mad dog, but I didn't see it in action. Should I test for rabies? LOL!
>>I was bitten by a mad dog, but I didn't see it in ...
do you mean it literally it figuratively
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0xLLfvZhNoY&ab_channel=DarkYobo
>>do you mean it literally it figuratively https://w...
I mean it pincongingly. Check the log of banned users.
>>I mean it pincongingly. Check the log of banned us...
ah, I don't even know where the log is.......
I just don't know a lot of the areas very well
Seriously, what makes one keep provoking Pincongers to reveal oneself and face dangers irl?
https://pincong.rocks/question/67776
https://pincong.rocks/article/item_id-1255181#
https://pincong.rocks/article/item_id-1243859#
Coincidence?
https://pincong.rocks/question/67776
https://pincong.rocks/article/item_id-1255181#
https://pincong.rocks/article/item_id-1243859#
Coincidence?
>>Seriously, what makes one keep provoking Pinconger...
it is subject to different interpretations but it gets a bit suspicious
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>>线上的陪伴不可靠，我已经亲身经历过几次了，纸上的魔法使要再演一下了如果父母不愿意我复读，就拿块毛巾绑...
您....
你这样，哎。
哪里有什么乐子，我都要累死了，创伤够多的了
现在你周围什么样的人，我是晓得的，但是...这个世界大得很
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和女友异国恋将近四年，现在分别要从不同国家回国，和彼此的家庭商议结婚事宜了，女友已拿新加坡永居，婚后我也可以申请新加坡永居，日后成为新加坡公民，这大概是我一个中国工薪家庭出身，在东南亚奋斗多年的普通人能取得的最好的发达国家的身份了，无论如何我该知足了
女友很强势很精明，我有点恐惧日后的婚姻生活，但是有一得必有一失，既然做出选择了，就只能尽量去适应女性当家的家庭生活了
女友很强势很精明，我有点恐惧日后的婚姻生活，但是有一得必有一失，既然做出选择了，就只能尽量去适应女性当家的家庭生活了
中文圈是全世界最大的精神病患集中地之一
我平时很欣赏强势、聪明的女性，但是受中华五千年传统文化的影响，我身上还是有那么一点点大男子主义，要我跟强势、聪明的女性做伴侣，并且接受未来女性当家作主的生活，我面子上、心理上还是有点无法接受
>>@Leviathan3 你最近的发言和当初跟洗心革面互怼的样子真是判若两人
世界不是非黑即白的，人性也不是，之前说的那些不过是口嗨罢了，网上对线骂操你妈的多了，如果我那样就是十恶不赦了，那每个骂过操你妈的人也是犯了强奸罪
>>那山东江苏那三人的事和那个抑郁症女生的事你怎么说
那又不是我搞的，那是晴某自己弄的，准确的来说，那是冼某他们不断挑衅，在加上晴某的狐朋狗友和仇家的推波助澜，才导致的这一切
而那个抑郁症女生，也是因为她自己的贪念和想不劳而获的心理，才弄出那样的事情
>>那女孩当地派出所已经立案调查了，并且如果人抓不到，立案调查无果，她父母表示一定会起诉。你们很多人认为...
那如果立案侦查无果，起诉耗费了大量时间精力且得不到想要的结果，那她就只剩下依靠舆论维权这一条路了，就只能把自己的痛苦经历抽丝剥茧般的展现在网络上，以此吸引同情吸引关注来维权，她和她家人真的能做到这一步么
>>那女孩当地派出所已经立案调查了，并且如果人抓不到，立案调查无果，她父母表示一定会起诉。你们很多人认为...
兄弟立案告知书能发我看看么？之前咨询了专业人士，对方说立案侦查肯定不会是因为晴某诈骗网暴开盒，只会是因为强制猥亵侮辱+传播淫秽物品牟利，并且对方说猥亵很难取证且时隔半年，传播淫秽物品牟利又是在外网，即使立案侦查了也大概率无下文，专业人士说的对不对？
兄弟你和枣庄那家子还有冼某都有种天真劲儿，在中国维权从来都不是那么容易的，你但凡外网搜搜看维权事件，你就会发现比晴某做的恶劣好几倍的事情都有，但是有几个能搜到后续的
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>>兄弟立案告知书能发我看看么？之前咨询了专业人士，对方说立案侦查肯定不会是因为晴某诈骗网暴开盒，只会是...
立案告知书我没法发，这是别人的隐私，到底能不能查到我们拭目以待
这起事件卷进来的另一个小云到底是怎么回事？
>>立案告知书我没法发，这是别人的隐私，到底能不能查到我们拭目以待这起事件卷进来的另一个小云到底是怎么回...
晴某的人帮云某开了个工作室，至于云某到底知不知道她被搞灰产的人忽悠了，那我就不清楚了。云某的事我只知道这些，她有没有诈捐买水自导自演我不清楚，但她确实也不是那么无辜
被晴某搞过然后报警的人，只要是山东那一片的员工做的，那即使立案侦查也只能查到云某头上，当初帮晴某搞那些危险的事情时，也都一一布置好退路了，云某从头到尾就是一个挡刀的倒霉蛋
>>立案告知书我没法发，这是别人的隐私，到底能不能查到我们拭目以待这起事件卷进来的另一个小云到底是怎么回...
我没跟你扯谎，我太清楚晴某到底做了些什么事布置了些什么东西了，即使是立案了也真的没多大用，这些事受害者错过了报警的第一时机，就再也无法维权了
>>你为什么要告诉我这么多
这不是你自己问的嘛，而且这又算不上什么秘密，这些是很多人都知道的事
而且办案讲的是证据，一个敏感论坛里他人随意聊天的内容可不能当作是证据或者破案线索什么的，你即使把我说的话截图交给枣庄那家子也没用，警方只能查他们能控制的墙内软件的聊天记录
@Nederland 你好，你之前帮助过的新用户12555这个小孩，因为之前口不择言冒犯了你还辜负了你的善意，他现在不敢面对你了，他托我向你转达他对你的感激和歉意。他说他为他之前的言论道歉，他愿意做出一切赔偿，只要是他可以做到的
反串段子和五毛撒野越来越不好分辨
这是幽默的扭曲还是智慧的沦丧？
这是幽默的扭曲还是智慧的沦丧？
Here is what you were looking for:
https://pincong.rocks/article/item_id-1259677#
The user suffers from panic attacks for simply having a user name (even when deleted) here. Reviving the account will likely cause further encounter. Sigh...
https://pincong.rocks/article/item_id-1259677#
The user suffers from panic attacks for simply having a user name (even when deleted) here. Reviving the account will likely cause further encounter. Sigh...
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https://pincong.rocks/article/item_id-1261526#
Will you please, kindly?
Will you please, kindly?
>>https://pincong.rocks/article/item_id-1261526#Will...
......
As people with this strong nerve, they'd better retire from this business asap.
>>......As people with this strong nerve, they'd bet...
I doubt they will. "A masochistic personality is a disorder in which a person derives pleasure from inflicting pain on oneself or others." Mental masochism, in the form of seeking intense fear and pressure, helps one experience existence and the meaning of life if they do not have a healthy, normal life. Living under Chinese tyranny can create those urges. This user is not alone. We have similar cases right now. They just don't know how much they can take before breakdown, and they are refusing to or incapable of knowing it.
>>Here is what you were looking for:https://pincong....
what the.....
that's bad.
same as passing out seeing a black volga then.
I mentioned a few articles about this.
https://pincong.rocks/article/73419
中国特色社会主义
——鄧小平
中国特色哲学社会科学
——習近平
只限于中国人的特色的普世价值
——some nobody from Pincong
What a political, intellectual cesspool.
>>——鄧小平——習近平——some nobody from PincongWhat a politic...
moral of the story: some chinese need to be treated with a special mannerism, like having their posts hided from the main page.
>>moral of the story: some chinese need to be treate...
maybe it is time for containment, not intervention
>>maybe it is time for containment, not intervention...
Maybe it is time for dealing with the problem as it is—a 2024 forum issue—rather than stretching it as a 20th C Russian civil war scenario.
These are anonymous forum aliases, not political figures;
These are online flaming rhetoric, not political ideologies;
This is a loosely organized voluntary forum without a united, revolutionary cause, not a multi-party civil war within a unitary state.
This is a conversation platform, not a state, a force, or a political party.
I appreciate your insight, but I think you are going a bit too far with your entrenched metaphor, which sometimes limit your perspective and impair your managerial judgment.
>>Maybe it is time for dealing with the problem as i...
it is a 2024 online forum, a reflection of the deterioration of the reality.
I was expecting to only see such events in black and white film archives, but I guess 4K 60FPS version is replaying lately. Strange world.....
surely it is a conversation platform, we see the overspill of thoughts from people in daily life. I just hope not too many are going to implement those actions. (I know, a few have already occurred)
First, let's avoid the scenario that someone plans to kill themselves/stab others, then go ahead and do it somewhere, then we 1. see that user offline 2. see that user posting such 3. hear it on the news. That where the containment gets a bit more necessary. It is strange to think, maybe one life, or a dozen is up to what we say.
I wonder how long we can prolong this from occurring.
>>it is a 2024 online forum, a reflection of the det...
You have a noble heart. But I'm afraid it is fallacious and counterproductive.
Both the butterfly effect and the slippery slope are based on the following premise: if A causes B, and B causes C, and C causes D, ……… and Y causes Z, then A led to Z. As soon as you let A happen, you’re letting Z happen. If you just hadn’t done A, then Z wouldn’t have happened. (And according to the butterfly effect, something totally different would have happened instead.)
This premise is fallacious because it assumes that there is only one node in world history, which was at the time when A happened. In reality, the universe either is or is not deterministic. If it is deterministic, then there was only ever one way that things could have unfolded anyway. Meanwhile, if it is not deterministic, then there is a whole branching tree of possibilities, such that A doesn’t control everything that follows. (See Part 4.) And if you plot the probability that Z will happen as a function of time, you can see that A does not have a significant effect on the probability of Z (see Part 5).
Once you have identified this logical fallacy, you have debunked both the slippery slope and the butterfly effect.(Source)
Let me be frank, you can save no one, and by the same logic, you can kill no one, by words.
>>You have a noble heart. But I'm afraid it is falla...
The world tends to be more robust to be derailed by butterfly effects,
Just like inspiring a kid to be good many years later, I hope to avoid having a major negative inspiration instead.
But in the end, everyone has a destiny and that is not so easy to be changed. (I am still writing an article about it)
Also I mentioned to Nederland many times, you can save no one and kill no one, but he seems to be too kind-hearted to give up on the first one. Maybe he will realize soon, given the deteriorating situations.
(if you followed a few answers from me, you knew how rebellious those boys were growing up around my youth. but look at China today (and Russia, to a lesser extent). I don't think whatever Nederland does to them can even make a dent. They tend to be well beyond salvage to my eyes)
>>The world tends to be more robust to be derailed b...
Regardless, even with your wisdom and prudence, I don't think we are dealing with it in the right direction, seriously. A common workbook about this issue says:
Resources for teachers, coaches, and mentors
If a student comes to you with mental health concerns or to tell you that they are suicidal, refer them to the appropriate person in your school. Never agree to keep suicidal thoughts secret or feel like it’s your job to help the person on your own.(Source)
The bold text is not only for the duty but also for the right and protection of the privileged party, i.e. the tutor, coach, mentor, and in our case, the forum management. I'm very concerned with how this is going. No offense to you or @Nederland, but handling it on your own as personal friendship is detrimental to you personally and the forum. Please consider. Thanks!
@Nederland: please kindly review the source above (in my previous comment here). I pray you'll find it helpful and imminent. Thanks.
>>Regardless, even with your wisdom and prudence, I ...
well, the situation is much worse....
this approach is the first path I used, thus my first answer. (and the time)
https://pincong.rocks/question/66541
but as always, the effectiveness of a lot of things is compromised in China, thus not too helpful. Then he falls back to me and Nederland! (oh shit situation..... it is really really bad and I really really don't know what to do, despite my professional knowledge) and I guess we are stuck with him for a while then. it is really an undesirable situation.
it is similar to another question people asked me.
Other researchers wrote articles about it already. the topic is Communism PTSD, and Post Communism Syndrome
then someone here asked me, what to do when they are stuck within Communism? I really really don't know!
>>well, the situation is much worse.... this approac...
Let's assume the worst. Would you rather:
A. See a suicide case in the news with no context, or;
B. See a suicide case in the news with cellphone screenshots detailing the correspondence with a forum named Pincong and with several management members in private chat?
>>Let's assume the worst. Would you rather:A. See a ...
if it is the second case, I guess that involves a lot of court hearings!
(and for this situation only, I am prepared for.... )
either way, it doesn't make much of a difference to me, except the subpoenas and testify.
>>if it is the second case, I guess that involves a ...
There won't be, because Pincong is not based in PRC, but the reputation will be damned, as you and @Nederland mentioned in our previous discussions—the razor thin line—remember? My case is simple. The intervention is mandatory. Once made, it is no longer the forum's liability. It is why I am all for the argument that the user should be denied access once the proper intervention is attempted. But I am not a member of the management. I have no say in this. I am just deeply concerned and worried about you and the forum that I find valuable.
>>There won't be, because Pincong is not based in PR...
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reputation wise, I don't see it as worrying (at least not as a priority) as the censorship, dirt digging are enough from the CCP and this website is offline regularly around noon on business days in China's timezone. Whoever choosing to stay will stay, whoever saying it is a propaganda will keep believing so.
specifically, I disagree about access denial in fear of further deterioration, in very selected situations, and this is one of them. I heard about people taking life after WeChat got locked out (that's stupid) and given how the person is, I don't trust the mental stability neither.
several months ago I asked about this. looks like status quo is a compromise.
https://pincong.rocks/article/70757
>>==================Of course I don't worry about PR...
I agree to disagree right there. One more thing, and let me be a pure devil's advocate for this time:
Do you, by any means whatsoever, have absolute proof that the user of interest in this discussion is not an agent who is going to plot a news story that Pincong is a suicide-inciting organization luring PRC teenagers? Consider all correspondence happened previously, is it wiser to have more communication with such a target of interest or less?
>>I agree to disagree right there. One more thing, a...
ah, I am sure he is not. The communication with me (and many others) in private is even..... worse.
He is just a troubled kid. Not easy to deal with. (so troubled that good luck any CCP agent can pull off. If they are that good, they would be a lot more useful elsewhere! )
I fear a cut off approach in communication may have adverse consequences but certainly, he is good at exhausting resources. so, it leads to containment
You will be shocked, shocked, shocked, if knowing what Nederland has done. Knowing how Nederland is, I am not entirely surprised but I am skeptical about the justification and return of investment, at least in terms of any meaningful impacts.
>>I doubt they will. "A masochistic personality is a...
ah, great situation......
not unlike this
https://pincong.rocks/question/item_id-755728
yeah, sexual orgasm staring at Stalin portrait?
>>ah, I am sure he is not. The communication with me...
Then good luck, my friend. Again, you have a noble and good heart. I wish you well.
Yet again, a kid this troubled, agent or not, seeking desperate last straw from an anonymous anti-gov (regardless of ideology) forum, does not end well. Mark my words. I only wish that we get out of this unscathed.
And one very last thing, I am really troubled by your last few lines sent to the kid, promising that you will veto the ban. A managerial action is different from a personal view. But can the kid tell the difference? When the kid takes those words as a promise that you will support (spoil) them whatsoever, you could become the last straw, not the formal banning.
>>Then good luck, my friend. Again, you have a noble...
Thank you. It is not the first difficult situation I have, and I have many other worse cases I don't enjoy.
Of course it is not a good situation. All we can do is hope. (but I was somewhat the same many years ago myself, a bit differently)
And I am aware of that. I just hope this gives him assurance that he will not be abandoned by me (while he is somewhat disappointed at Nederland, and I think it is not justified), reducing the chance of suicide attempt. But you know there is only very little I can do. I hope this is enough kindness and companionship to last long enough for him to figure things out later.
Putting this amount of leverage purely virtually is utterly irresponsible, but younger kids behave kind of differently. I really don't understand anymore.
>>while he is somewhat disappointed at Nederland, and I think it is not justified...
Are you referring to this:
https://pincong.rocks/article/item_id-1260249#
or this:
https://pincong.rocks/article/item_id-1258525#
or something more personal that I don't want to know?
Nevertheless, I have seen nothing but utmost care and fairness from @Nederland concerning the user of interest. All I can hope is the same level of integrity and judgment concerning this user should further reports occur.
>>Are you referring to this: https://pincong.rocks/a...
it is merely a fraction.
I think Nederland has done all he can, even more.... (outside this forum)
Nederland sent him a lot of textbook even with Lokum, but I fear it doesn't resonate as well, as always (limited by his own skill. the kid tends to be bad at many things)
https://pincong.rocks/people/%E6%8C%91%E6%8B%A8%E5%85%B1%E4%BA%A7%E5%9B%BD%E5%AE%B6%E5%85%B3%E7%B3%BB
WTF happened?
WTF happened?
>>https://pincong.rocks/people/%E6%8C%91%E6%8B%A8%E5...
what's going on? I don't understand
>>Can you tell me what he has done? ⊙▽⊙
Nederland just gave him rather generous support,
in package.
but the receiving end didn't utilize it too well
>>Nederland just gave him rather generous support, i...
What's in the package? How did the receiver not make good use of it?
Or is it rather inconvenient to disclose these things in public...
>>What's in the package? How did the receiver not ma...
of course I cannot disclose details....
it was the learning materials necessary for him, and things like Baklava.
but the receiving end is too utterly unknowledgeable to get any point
>>of course I cannot disclose details.... it was the...
I believe he has deeper mental issues that are also not disclosed publicly, his study stress may just be a hook to attract forum's attention to his potential real problems. But even then can they really be solved?
I dislike how harsh "anonymous user" was on him in this regards. https://pincong.rocks/article/64021
>>I believe he has deeper mental issues that are als...
I saw those comments. those are unnecessarily harsh.
I believe he has big problems in his academic achievement. Basically, he learned nothing anywhere. But it is only one problem out of how many I don't know.
anywhere you ask, he has a problem. I guess he doesn't need hook after all.
and I don't see solution anywhere
>>Are you referring to this: https://pincong.rocks/a...
I will read your replies here when I'm free, thank you for letting me know.
>>I saw those comments. those are unnecessarily hars...
I saw them too. They reminded me of Chinese parenting and secondary school head teacher (班主任) speaking.
>>Regardless, even with your wisdom and prudence, I ...
Now I've checked it out, and learned much. Thank you for providing this guideline.
I think this young boy has lost his sanity, and can't think calmly in fact according to our dialog outside the forum. Thus I'll choose to deal with such case more cautiously and apply the methods said in the guideline.
>>Now I've checked it out, and learned much. Thank y...
Thank you. I'm humbled. BTW, did you get chance to check out the discussion about this under the "House of Cards" thread? Someone shared the NIH Guidelines to Discuss Suicide on Social Media there. Good stuff.
>>I saw them too. They reminded me of Chinese parent...
this version doesn't have CC (the one with CC was somehow deleted from YouTube)
but you have an idea. graphic enough
Yes, THAT teacher
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5q-VRXMUI_g&t=1079s
>>Now I've checked it out, and learned much. Thank y...
Alas, I guess we are both blessed for not being born a decade late.
Otherwise, we would be discussing about our insanity and how to prevent our suicide
this would easily have been us.
>>我过个一两周就尝试下自缢吧，我的人生不可能有起色的，连保持现状都很难，真的够了，已经够了
你什么都不做光在这怨天尤人自然不可能有起色，书读不成也可以去学门技术，可以去打工，可以买台电脑网上搬砖赚钱，你天天搁这复读有个屁用
>>我过个一两周就尝试下自缢吧，我的人生不可能有起色的，连保持现状都很难，真的够了，已经够了
这个社会男人比女人容易多了，你要是个女的，担心没法读书外出打工遇到骚扰或危险，担心没有学历未来只能草草嫁人相夫教子，那我还能理解，但你一个男的，你即使没学历，你也能轻易找到能维持温饱的工作，只不过会辛苦一些而已，你要是有点心气，你可以在打工间歇自学知识，然后报考成人高考
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