纽约时报不愧是中共大外宣,不要脸到极点了。
NYT的科学与健康专栏记者Donald G. McNeil Jr. 上周接受了NPR的Dave Davies采访,话题是美国从中国能在对抗疫情上学习到哪些内容,这集采访真的是槽点满满,节选一些与葱友们分享:
"And, you know, China didn't reopen until they had zero new infections a day because that's when you've really gotten control of the virus and you know where it is, you know where your new cases are, and you can do contact tracing on, you know, a hundred new cases a day. "
中国在每天新增病例为零的时候才重新开放.....好吧,如果你相信他们的数据的话。
Yes. And those things are all in practice in China right now even though the country has virtually zero cases. You go into a restaurant in China. You can go up to the counter and get some food. If you want to eat in the restaurant, you have - there has to be six feet between you and the person next to you and nobody in front of you - has to be six feet around at all times. And you have to wear a mask. And they have regular spray-downs with disinfectants. And they have extra ventilation coming through and lots of other measures.
还是继续”virtually zero cases",行吧,然后说到在中国的餐厅吃饭必须人和人之间必须要隔six feet,而且强制戴口罩。Bitch plz,欺负听众都不在中国是吧?有几家营业的餐厅能严格做到?而且戴着口罩吃你妈什么饭呢?
在主持人Davies说到中国的措施过于heavy-handed的时候,他如此回应:
I have a problem with this whole - you know, it's brutal. You know, Chinese people love their families just as much as Americans love their families. They were initially reluctant to go into these quarantine shelters, too. But when it became clear that it was saving the lives of their families - I mean, yes, some of them were forced in. Some of them were chucked into the back of ambulances by policemen. But that was not the norm.
你特么看过二月份时武汉的任何视频和报道吗?别说去方舱医院的了,小区里居家隔离的买肉买菜都被物业垄断,居民自己联系的小贩还被物业报警赶走这些你咋不提?家人都被隔离小孩被饿死你怎么不提?医护人员无法搭乘交通回不了家你怎么不提?武汉隐瞒殡仪馆火化数量你怎么不提?
最大的亮点来了,当谈及中国隐瞒疫情的问题时,他这么说:
So the WHO performed admirably. What happened in China - people don't really understand this. The cover-up was not, as far as I can tell, by Beijing. The cover-up was by the mayor of Wuhan. The small alarms were rung on December 30. We knew about it. I knew about it on December 30. There was a thing on ProMED - this is a disease alert service - but it was very unclear. It was 27 cases of an unknown pneumonia related to a seafood market. And they put out a request for information. The WHO knew about it; the Canadians knew about it. And then there was the clampdown, and that's when that doctor was told to shut up. That's when other doctors were threatened with arrest. And that's when the local authorities started to say, no, no, there's no human-to-human transmission.
你特么当中国是美国的联邦制啊?你对中国的政治体系有丝毫的了解都不会说这种话,当然了,除非你因某种目的可以撒谎。WHO早期的口径跟中国一模一样,从没有明显人传人到有限人传人,WHO的队伍在中国转了一圈根本就没有去武汉你们NYT这么大的媒体不知道吗?WHO的加拿大副总干事假装听不见香港记者的问题你怎么不提?Trump把给WHO的赞助资金冻结也许过激,但是你们中共爸爸贿赂WHO的事情你就不管不问了???!!!还有把武汉肺炎的时间线叙述地跟中国外交部一模一样,这个就真的没法忍了。
其他的小槽点还有很多,他还为中共拒绝美国CDC专家去武汉辩护,说美国的科学家都过于高傲,中国拒绝是可以理解的......好吧,在疫情全球大爆发的时候你继续玻璃心吧,争取多害死几十万人。
当时Podcast听得我气的要摔手机了,非常想直接取关NPR再cancel我的NYT Subscription。
原文Transcript的地址:https://www.npr.org/transcripts/847755751
"And, you know, China didn't reopen until they had zero new infections a day because that's when you've really gotten control of the virus and you know where it is, you know where your new cases are, and you can do contact tracing on, you know, a hundred new cases a day. "
中国在每天新增病例为零的时候才重新开放.....好吧,如果你相信他们的数据的话。
Yes. And those things are all in practice in China right now even though the country has virtually zero cases. You go into a restaurant in China. You can go up to the counter and get some food. If you want to eat in the restaurant, you have - there has to be six feet between you and the person next to you and nobody in front of you - has to be six feet around at all times. And you have to wear a mask. And they have regular spray-downs with disinfectants. And they have extra ventilation coming through and lots of other measures.
还是继续”virtually zero cases",行吧,然后说到在中国的餐厅吃饭必须人和人之间必须要隔six feet,而且强制戴口罩。Bitch plz,欺负听众都不在中国是吧?有几家营业的餐厅能严格做到?而且戴着口罩吃你妈什么饭呢?
在主持人Davies说到中国的措施过于heavy-handed的时候,他如此回应:
I have a problem with this whole - you know, it's brutal. You know, Chinese people love their families just as much as Americans love their families. They were initially reluctant to go into these quarantine shelters, too. But when it became clear that it was saving the lives of their families - I mean, yes, some of them were forced in. Some of them were chucked into the back of ambulances by policemen. But that was not the norm.
你特么看过二月份时武汉的任何视频和报道吗?别说去方舱医院的了,小区里居家隔离的买肉买菜都被物业垄断,居民自己联系的小贩还被物业报警赶走这些你咋不提?家人都被隔离小孩被饿死你怎么不提?医护人员无法搭乘交通回不了家你怎么不提?武汉隐瞒殡仪馆火化数量你怎么不提?
最大的亮点来了,当谈及中国隐瞒疫情的问题时,他这么说:
So the WHO performed admirably. What happened in China - people don't really understand this. The cover-up was not, as far as I can tell, by Beijing. The cover-up was by the mayor of Wuhan. The small alarms were rung on December 30. We knew about it. I knew about it on December 30. There was a thing on ProMED - this is a disease alert service - but it was very unclear. It was 27 cases of an unknown pneumonia related to a seafood market. And they put out a request for information. The WHO knew about it; the Canadians knew about it. And then there was the clampdown, and that's when that doctor was told to shut up. That's when other doctors were threatened with arrest. And that's when the local authorities started to say, no, no, there's no human-to-human transmission.
你特么当中国是美国的联邦制啊?你对中国的政治体系有丝毫的了解都不会说这种话,当然了,除非你因某种目的可以撒谎。WHO早期的口径跟中国一模一样,从没有明显人传人到有限人传人,WHO的队伍在中国转了一圈根本就没有去武汉你们NYT这么大的媒体不知道吗?WHO的加拿大副总干事假装听不见香港记者的问题你怎么不提?Trump把给WHO的赞助资金冻结也许过激,但是你们中共爸爸贿赂WHO的事情你就不管不问了???!!!还有把武汉肺炎的时间线叙述地跟中国外交部一模一样,这个就真的没法忍了。
其他的小槽点还有很多,他还为中共拒绝美国CDC专家去武汉辩护,说美国的科学家都过于高傲,中国拒绝是可以理解的......好吧,在疫情全球大爆发的时候你继续玻璃心吧,争取多害死几十万人。
当时Podcast听得我气的要摔手机了,非常想直接取关NPR再cancel我的NYT Subscription。
原文Transcript的地址:https://www.npr.org/transcripts/847755751
68 个评论
对于这些媒体,我的一个看法是,一个媒体首先要做到的是它所报道的事情都是客观真实的,不是断章取义的,当然你在解读这些事实的时候可以有一定的立场,毕竟不同政治派系的媒体都要为自己的派系服务嘛,但要注意这个解读一定要是基于客观事实的,不是歪曲事实的。
有的时候一个媒体为了自己的一些看法只拿出了部分事实来证明自己的观点,注意这部分事实是真实的,但并不是全面的,只要一个媒体或者媒体所采访的人具有一定的立场,他对事实解读时的选择难免有一些偏颇,比如你提到武汉防疫时存在的各种问题这个人没有说到,有这么几种可能,这个人没有了解到这种情况,这个人了解到了但是就像你说的这样为了证明自己的观点故意忽略掉了这些情况,后一种显然是不对的,可能换FOX频道采访另一个人他就会说中国的防疫多么糟糕,但是从客观上你无法否认中国在防疫方面确实有些措施是正确的,也无法否认有些是没做到位的,糟糕的,甚至是体制导致的问题。
还有什么叫事实,有直接的明显的证据所反映的情况就是事实,有一些则是观点,其实你说的这些很多都是采访者的观点,只要他说的事情是真的就可以,如果一个人歪曲事实来得出自己的观点,那这就叫明显的洗地了。
最后就是对于信息的信任问题,很显然这个采访者选择相信了中共的一些信息,也有很多人选择不相信,你可以因为不相信中共的信息便认为这个人所基于的事实都是假消息,所以他所有的观点都是错的。但我更希望有些人可以逐条反驳这些事实是假的,注意是反驳这些事实而不是拿出证明这些事实所反映的观点的对立面的事实来证明观点的错误性,比如你说的:
这些是另一些事实而不是证明这个人所说的事实是错误的依据,其实这里面存在的问题是你所看到坏情况的和这个采访者所看到的也就是中共报道出来的好情况都是存在的。
所以我建议不要因为这个媒体说了一些和中共一致的话就说它是大外宣,认为所有的外国媒体在所有事情上都必须和中共唱反调,媒体有选择自己报道的事实的权力,况且你要承认纽约时报并不是在所有问题上都和中共步调一致吧,别忘了新疆再教育营很多文件就是纽约时报曝光出来的。
至于你为什么觉得纽时像是在为中共洗地,我个人感觉它更是为了反对特朗普,衬托出一种特朗普政府做得不好的感觉,借夸中国的好反衬特朗普政府的不好,很多偏左的媒体往往是为了反特朗普而看起来偏向中共,并不一定是真收了中共的钱。
有的时候一个媒体为了自己的一些看法只拿出了部分事实来证明自己的观点,注意这部分事实是真实的,但并不是全面的,只要一个媒体或者媒体所采访的人具有一定的立场,他对事实解读时的选择难免有一些偏颇,比如你提到武汉防疫时存在的各种问题这个人没有说到,有这么几种可能,这个人没有了解到这种情况,这个人了解到了但是就像你说的这样为了证明自己的观点故意忽略掉了这些情况,后一种显然是不对的,可能换FOX频道采访另一个人他就会说中国的防疫多么糟糕,但是从客观上你无法否认中国在防疫方面确实有些措施是正确的,也无法否认有些是没做到位的,糟糕的,甚至是体制导致的问题。
还有什么叫事实,有直接的明显的证据所反映的情况就是事实,有一些则是观点,其实你说的这些很多都是采访者的观点,只要他说的事情是真的就可以,如果一个人歪曲事实来得出自己的观点,那这就叫明显的洗地了。
最后就是对于信息的信任问题,很显然这个采访者选择相信了中共的一些信息,也有很多人选择不相信,你可以因为不相信中共的信息便认为这个人所基于的事实都是假消息,所以他所有的观点都是错的。但我更希望有些人可以逐条反驳这些事实是假的,注意是反驳这些事实而不是拿出证明这些事实所反映的观点的对立面的事实来证明观点的错误性,比如你说的:
你特么看过二月份时武汉的任何视频和报道吗?别说去方舱医院的了,小区里居家隔离的买肉买菜都被物业垄断,居民自己联系的小贩还被物业报警赶走这些你咋不提?家人都被隔离小孩被饿死你怎么不提?医护人员无法搭乘交通回不了家你怎么不提?武汉隐瞒殡仪馆火化数量你怎么不提?
这些是另一些事实而不是证明这个人所说的事实是错误的依据,其实这里面存在的问题是你所看到坏情况的和这个采访者所看到的也就是中共报道出来的好情况都是存在的。
所以我建议不要因为这个媒体说了一些和中共一致的话就说它是大外宣,认为所有的外国媒体在所有事情上都必须和中共唱反调,媒体有选择自己报道的事实的权力,况且你要承认纽约时报并不是在所有问题上都和中共步调一致吧,别忘了新疆再教育营很多文件就是纽约时报曝光出来的。
至于你为什么觉得纽时像是在为中共洗地,我个人感觉它更是为了反对特朗普,衬托出一种特朗普政府做得不好的感觉,借夸中国的好反衬特朗普政府的不好,很多偏左的媒体往往是为了反特朗普而看起来偏向中共,并不一定是真收了中共的钱。