纽约时报:川普各地官司大败
这不是假新闻,官司进展细节一般在美国是公开的资讯,包括所有上庭对话的录音。川普在宾州,密西根,和亚利桑那州的官司全部因为证据不足而遭到法官的负面反应,甚至拒绝受理。多位法官责备川普法律代表,拒绝受理作废选举结果。
丑化白左,利用假新闻抹黑民主法治系统,分裂反对势力,正是中共最希望看到的。
美国和中共的脱钩只不过是刚开始。相信随着各国疫情的恶化,所有先进国家对共产中国的排斥也会越来越激烈。希望葱粉不要因为川普团队的不实宣传而对美国抗拒中共的扩张决心有疑问。除非习近平做出重大的改革(应该不可能),拜登政府对中共的政策基本上会继续川普的方向,不会有太大改变。就算是最左的美国人也不会支持中共的高压统治,把宗教人士,异议人士,少数民族关到集中营。
建议川粉们要面对现实,唾弃假新闻,谣言。只有如此自由世界才可以有效的面对中共这个反人类,反法治,反民主黑帮集团的威胁。(以下是纽约时报今天报道)
Trump Is Not Doing Well With His Election Lawsuits. Here’s a Rundown.
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/11/13/us/politics/trump-election-lawsuits.html
全文如下:
Trump Is Not Doing Well With His Election Lawsuits. Here’s a Rundown.
The president has suffered a string of defeats in pursuing legal action seeking to delay certification of his loss to President-elect Joseph R. Biden Jr.
By Emily Bazelon
Nov. 13, 2020
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President Trump on Friday at the White House. He lost a series of court cases in key states over the course of the day.Anna Moneymaker for The New York Times
It is difficult to overturn an American election result, as President Trump was reminded on Friday, when his campaign lost in courts in Michigan and Pennsylvania and dropped a challenge in Arizona.
A losing candidate who is within striking distance — say a few hundred votes — might get lucky in a recount. Beyond that, he or she would need to show systemic fraud on a large scale.
Mr. Trump has shown nothing like systemic fraud in any of the lawsuits, 16 and counting, that his campaign and allies have filed since Election Day as they seek to block certification of Joseph R. Biden Jr.’s victory in the Electoral College. The allegations of fraud are a smattering of unverified accusations about the voting or counting process, usually directly affecting too few ballots to change a state’s results.
Other lawsuits in the batch depend on the theory that differences among counties in verifying or including absentee ballots amount to a violation of a voter’s constitutional right to equal protection. Given how decentralized the voting system is in the United States, that argument has yet to get legal traction after this election.
Here is a rundown of the cases and their statuses.
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Supporters of Mr. Trump last week in Lansing, Mich. On Friday, a state court judge in Michigan denied an effort by pro-Trump plaintiffs to delay certification of the results in the Detroit area.Bryan Denton for The New York Times
Michigan
Costantino v. Detroit
Filed: Nov. 9
Claim: The plaintiffs were two poll challengers — representatives of the Republican Party allowed to monitor the vote counting — who alleged fraud and misconduct during the vote count last week at the TCF Center in Detroit. The lawsuit asked the court to block certification of the election results in Wayne County (which includes Detroit), where more than 867,000 people voted.
The plaintiffs claimed that election workers were instructed “to not verify signatures on absentee ballots, to backdate absentee ballots, and to process such ballots regardless of their validity.” They presented five affidavits from other poll challengers who said, among other things, that they saw election workers enter Jan. 1, 1900, as the birth date of many absentee voters. The plaintiffs offered no corroborating evidence for the affidavits. They also falsely stated that Republican poll challengers could not observe the count.
Context: The plaintiffs misunderstood the process for verifying and tabulating absentee votes, according to Chris Thomas, the state director of elections in Michigan for 36 years before his retirement in 2017, who submitted an affidavit for the defendants, the City of Detroit and the Detroit Election Commission. He explained that election workers entered Jan. 1, 1900, as a placeholder when the computer system required them to type in a birth date but they could not access that information in the voter file.
Mr. Thomas also said that ballots received on Nov. 3 were entered on Nov. 4 after election workers discovered that they had not previously been fully processed. Finally, he explained that Detroit allows 134 challengers each from the Republican and Democratic Parties, and once those limits were reached, access for a new challenger was allowed when someone left the hall.
Status: On Friday, Chief Judge Timothy M. Kenny of Wayne County Circuit Court deniedthe petition from the pro-Trump side. “It would be an unprecedented exercise of judicial activism for this court to stop the certification process of the Wayne County Board of Canvassers,” Judge Kenny wrote. “Plaintiffs’ interpretation of events is incorrect and not credible.”
Donald J. Trump for President Inc. v. Benson
Filed: Nov. 11
Claim: This is a federal suit that repeats the pending state-court claims of fraud and misconduct in Costantino v. Detroit. The Trump campaign is similarly seeking to block Michigan’s certification of the vote.
The decision to file a second case suggests that the Trump campaign is “trying to try the same case in multiple courtrooms hoping that somebody will provide an endorsement of their baseless conspiracy theories,” said David Fink, an outside lawyer for the city of Detroit.
Context: The plaintiffs submitted more than 230 pages of affidavits from Republican poll challengers. But they described isolated grievances and perceived irregularities, not systemic fraud. “I felt intimidated by union people who were staring at me,” one poll challenger complained. Another said the loud volume of the P.A. system was distracting. A third said a Democratic poll worker told her to “go back to the suburbs, Karen.” A fourth found it suspicious that most of the few dozen ballots he saw counted that were cast by members of the military were votes for Mr. Biden.
Status: Pending.
Donald J. Trump for President Inc. v. Benson
Filed: Nov. 4
Claim: During the ballot counting in Michigan, the Trump campaign sued to stop it. In an affidavit, one poll watcher said another, whom she did not name, told her that she was told by still other poll workers to change the date on which a ballot was received.
Context: This was one of a number of cases the Trump campaign filed in key states to try to stop the counting as the results swung in favor of Mr. Biden.
Status: At a hearing, Judge Cynthia Stephens of the Michigan Court of Claims characterized the affidavit as, “‘I heard someone else say something,’” and said, “Tell me how that is not hearsay. Come on now!” Judge Stephens dismissed the suit on Nov. 5. The Trump campaign’s appeal of her ruling was denied because it lacked the required attachments.
Stoddard, et.al. v City Election Commission of the City of Detroit
Filed: Nov. 4
Claim: A Republican poll challenger and the Election Integrity Fund, a nonprofit organization, sued to stop election workers in Detroit from hand duplicating ballots that could not be read by a machine. The suit also sought to delay certification of the results.
Context: This was an early effort to suggest that mail-in ballots were being handled to benefit Mr. Biden.
Status: Judge Kenny dismissed the suit on Nov. 6. “Plaintiffs fail to identify the occurrence and scope of any alleged violation,” he wrote.
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Ballot counting last week in Philadelphia. Mr. Trump and his allies have lost several cases in Pennsylvania.Ruth Fremson/The New York Times
Pennsylvania
In re: Canvass of Absentee and Mail-In Ballots of Nov. 3, 2020, General Election
Filed: Nov. 10
Claim: On behalf of a voter, the Trump campaign appealed the decision by the Philadelphia County Board of Elections to count five categories of mail-in ballots. Pennsylvania law provides that voters must sign and “fill out” an outer envelope (as well as include an inner security envelope when they return their ballots). This suit challenges a total of 8,349 ballots with outer envelopes that were signed but lacked other information, like the date or the voter’s printed name or street address.
Context: The number of ballots challenged in this suit for minor errors would not be enough to change the election result.
Status: On Friday, Judge James Crumlish of the Court of Common Pleas denied all of the challenges to all five categories of ballots.
Pirkle v. Wolf
Filed: Nov. 10
Claim: Four voters sought to block all votes from Philadelphia, Montgomery, Delaware and Allegheny Counties from being included in the state total, claiming that the state violated the right to equal protection by allowing differing absentee balloting practices among counties.
Before the election, Pennsylvania’s secretary of state, Kathy Boockvar, advised county election officials that “curing” absentee ballots (the term for fixing mistakes like a missing signature) was permitted but not required. As a result, local practices differed to a degree. This suit claims that it was unconstitutional to allow some but not all Philadelphia voters to cure their ballots. The suit also cites Delaware County for allegedly giving in-person ballots to voters who were recorded as having received mail-in ballots without requiring them to sign the registration book at the polls. In Allegheny County, according to the suit, voters were required to vote provisionally when records showed they had requested an absentee ballot but not cast it.
Context: The election system in the United States is highly decentralized and gives considerable authority to state and county officials over how to run elections. As a result, it is common for states to allow some variation in local election practices and to allow voters to cast provisional ballots in a variety of circumstances.
Status: On Thursday night, the law firm representing the Trump campaign, Porter Wright, asked to withdraw. Previously, the plaintiffs asked Judge Matthew Brann of the United States District Court for the Middle District of Pennsylvania to consolidate this case with the next one below.
Donald J. Trump for President v. Boockvar
Filed: Nov. 9
Claim: The Trump campaign is seeking to block the certification of the Pennsylvania election, alleging fraud in mail-in balloting, insufficient access for poll observers and varying procedures for curing ballots among different counties.
The plaintiffs said “Democratic heavy” counties allowed voters to cure their absentee ballots while “Republican heavy” counties did not. They also said ballots were processed in Allegheny County and Philadelphia while poll observers were too far away to see what was happening.
Context: On Election Day, Republican lawyers acknowledged in court that the party’s observers were present at the Pennsylvania Convention Center in Philadelphia when votes were being counted. “I’m sorry, then what’s your problem?” Judge Paul S. Diamond of the United States District Court for the Eastern District of Pennsylvania asked. He granted a modest accommodation, ordering the city election commission to allow poll observers to move closer to the counting.
Status: Judge Brann scheduled oral argument for Nov. 17.
Donald J. Trump for President Inc. v. Bucks County Board of Elections
Filed: Nov. 9
Claim: The Trump campaign and others appealed the decision of the Bucks County Board of Elections to count 2,175 ballots that lacked the voter’s printed name or street address, or the date of signing. The suit also challenged the inclusion of 76 ballots that arrived in unsealed inner envelopes or with markings on them.
Context: Like a number of other suits, this one involves a relatively small number of votes that would not change the outcome.
Status: Judge Robert O. Baldi of the Court of Common Pleas scheduled a hearing for Nov. 17.
Donald J. Trump for President Inc. v. Montgomery County Board of Elections
Filed: Nov. 5
Claim: The Trump campaign and others sued the Montgomery County Board of Elections for notifying voters before Election Day to allow them to fill in missing information on ballot envelopes.
Context: About 600 ballots are at issue. At a hearing, Judge Richard P. Haaz of the Court of Common Pleas asked if the suit included any accusations of fraud. When pressed, the lawyer for the plaintiffs said no.
Status: On Friday, Judge Haaz denied the petition to disqualify the ballots. “Voters should not be disenfranchised by reasonably relying upon voting instructions provided by election officials which are consistent with the Election Code,” he wrote.
Donald J. Trump for President, Inc. et al v. Boockvar et al
Filed: Nov. 4
Claim: The Trump campaign and others challenged guidance that Ms. Boockvar provided to counties before the election, allowing them to tell absentee voters they had until Nov. 12 to provide missing proof of identification.
Context: Pennsylvania law normally sets a deadline for six days after the election, Nov. 9 this year, for providing missing voter ID. Ms. Boockvar, the secretary of state, extended the deadline to Nov. 12 in light of a decision by the Pennsylvania Supreme Court to allow absentee ballots to be counted if they were received by Nov. 6. The extension Ms. Boockvar allowed applied to only a smallnumber of ballots with missing ID that arrived after Nov. 3.
Status: On Nov. 12, Judge Mary Hannah Leavitt of the Commonwealth Court ordered this narrow category of ballots to be excluded from the state count. None of these ballots had yet been included. This is the Trump campaign’s only win so far in postelection litigation.
Republican Party of Pennsylvania v. Boockvar
Filed: Nov. 6
Claim: The Pennsylvania Republican Party asked the Supreme Court to block the counting of ballots received between the end of Election Day and Nov. 6.
Context: In September, the Pennsylvania Supreme Court ruled that ballots could be counted if they were postmarked by Nov. 3 and received by Nov. 6. Republicans then asked the U.S. Supreme Court to block the Pennsylvania court’s ruling. In October, in a 4-to-4 split, the justices let the state court ruling stand. Pennsylvania’s attorney general, however, ordered the late-arriving ballots segregated from the rest of the count.
On Nov. 6, Justice Samuel A. Alito Jr. also ordered the late-arriving ballots segregated. In the end, there were fewer than 10,000 such votes. They have not been included in the reported state total. By themselves, those ballots would not affect the outcome in Pennsylvania.
Status: On Friday, the U.S. Court of Appeals for the Third Circuit ruled that the plaintiffs did not have standing to stop the counting of the late-arriving ballots. The Supreme Court has yet to say whether it will hear the Republicans’ appeal.
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Trump supporters outside the Maricopa County recorder’s office last week in Phoenix.Adriana Zehbrauskas for The New York Times
Arizona
Donald J. Trump for President Inc. v. Hobbs
Filed: Nov. 9
Claims: The Trump campaign claimed that some ballots in Maricopa County were filled out with Sharpie pens. A handful of voters and a poll observer said they saw bleeding ink on these ballots, causing an “overvote” on the other side, and that poll workers were instructed to press a green button on the scanner to accept the votes despite the error. The suit seeks to prevent the supposed “overvotes” from being included in the tally until they are reviewed.
Context: The suit involves only 191 votes for president. At a hearing on Thursday, when one witness was asked if she had a basis to believe her vote was not counted, she answered, “Uh, I’m not sure.”
Status: On Friday, the Trump campaign dropped the suit.
Nevada
Stokke v. Cegavske
Filed: Nov. 5
Claims: Two voters, a poll observer and elected officials, backed by the Trump campaign, claimed there were problems with an automated signature verification machine in Clark County. One of them, Jill Stokke, said at a Trump campaign news conference, “I went to vote and was told I already voted.”
Context: The Clark County registrar of voters, Joe Gloria, investigated Ms. Stokke’s complaint and said that the signature on her absentee ballot appeared to match the one in the voter file, but gave her the option of challenging that vote and casting a provisional ballot. Ms. Stokke refused.
Status: Judge Andrew Gordon of the United States District Court for the District of Nevada denied the plaintiff’s request on Nov. 6 for lack of evidence.
Georgia
Brooks v. Mahoney
Filed: Nov. 11
Claim: Four Republican voters sued over the process of absentee vote counting in several Georgia counties, seeking to exclude all of the votes cast in them from the state total.
The plaintiffs cited isolated instances of fraud. One voter, for example, said his absentee ballot was recorded even though he voted in person. The plaintiffs also claimed that several counties appeared to have more registered voters than their interpretation of census data would suggest was plausible. They cited a study that estimated from past survey data, but without proof, that thousands of noncitizens voted for Mr. Biden.
Context: Georgia is in the middle of a recount.
Status: The suit is pending in the United States District Court for the Southern District of Georgia, Savannah Division.
In re: enforcement of election laws
Filed: Nov. 4
Claim: The Trump campaign sued to prevent ballots from being counted if they were received after 7 p.m. on Election Day.
Context: This was one of the flurry of cases around the country seeking to limit the counting of mail-in ballots.
Status: Judge James F. Bass of the Superior Court of Chatham County dismissed the case on Nov. 5 for lack of evidence.
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Voters on Election Day in West Allis, Wis.Chang W. Lee/The New York Times
Wisconsin
Langenhorst v. Pecore
Filed: Nov. 12
Claim: Four voters sought to exclude all of the votes cast in three counties from Wisconsin’s total based on differences in absentee voting rules among the counties. The suit objected to Milwaukee, Dane and Menominee Counties allowing voters who say they are “indefinitely confined” by age, illness or disability to cast ballots without proving photographic identification. The complaint also cited a handful of voters (identified by only their initials) who said they received absentee ballots without requesting them, and three absentee ballots allegedly completed after they were mailed to deceased people.
Context: This suit makes the same kinds of equal-protection claims as the ones in Brooks v. Mahoney. Both were filed by the conservative lawyer James Bopp.
Status: The case is pending in U.S. District Court for the Eastern District of Wisconsin, Green Bay Division.
丑化白左,利用假新闻抹黑民主法治系统,分裂反对势力,正是中共最希望看到的。
美国和中共的脱钩只不过是刚开始。相信随着各国疫情的恶化,所有先进国家对共产中国的排斥也会越来越激烈。希望葱粉不要因为川普团队的不实宣传而对美国抗拒中共的扩张决心有疑问。除非习近平做出重大的改革(应该不可能),拜登政府对中共的政策基本上会继续川普的方向,不会有太大改变。就算是最左的美国人也不会支持中共的高压统治,把宗教人士,异议人士,少数民族关到集中营。
建议川粉们要面对现实,唾弃假新闻,谣言。只有如此自由世界才可以有效的面对中共这个反人类,反法治,反民主黑帮集团的威胁。(以下是纽约时报今天报道)
Trump Is Not Doing Well With His Election Lawsuits. Here’s a Rundown.
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/11/13/us/politics/trump-election-lawsuits.html
全文如下:
Trump Is Not Doing Well With His Election Lawsuits. Here’s a Rundown.
The president has suffered a string of defeats in pursuing legal action seeking to delay certification of his loss to President-elect Joseph R. Biden Jr.
By Emily Bazelon
Nov. 13, 2020
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President Trump on Friday at the White House. He lost a series of court cases in key states over the course of the day.Anna Moneymaker for The New York Times
It is difficult to overturn an American election result, as President Trump was reminded on Friday, when his campaign lost in courts in Michigan and Pennsylvania and dropped a challenge in Arizona.
A losing candidate who is within striking distance — say a few hundred votes — might get lucky in a recount. Beyond that, he or she would need to show systemic fraud on a large scale.
Mr. Trump has shown nothing like systemic fraud in any of the lawsuits, 16 and counting, that his campaign and allies have filed since Election Day as they seek to block certification of Joseph R. Biden Jr.’s victory in the Electoral College. The allegations of fraud are a smattering of unverified accusations about the voting or counting process, usually directly affecting too few ballots to change a state’s results.
Other lawsuits in the batch depend on the theory that differences among counties in verifying or including absentee ballots amount to a violation of a voter’s constitutional right to equal protection. Given how decentralized the voting system is in the United States, that argument has yet to get legal traction after this election.
Here is a rundown of the cases and their statuses.
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Supporters of Mr. Trump last week in Lansing, Mich. On Friday, a state court judge in Michigan denied an effort by pro-Trump plaintiffs to delay certification of the results in the Detroit area.Bryan Denton for The New York Times
Michigan
Costantino v. Detroit
Filed: Nov. 9
Claim: The plaintiffs were two poll challengers — representatives of the Republican Party allowed to monitor the vote counting — who alleged fraud and misconduct during the vote count last week at the TCF Center in Detroit. The lawsuit asked the court to block certification of the election results in Wayne County (which includes Detroit), where more than 867,000 people voted.
The plaintiffs claimed that election workers were instructed “to not verify signatures on absentee ballots, to backdate absentee ballots, and to process such ballots regardless of their validity.” They presented five affidavits from other poll challengers who said, among other things, that they saw election workers enter Jan. 1, 1900, as the birth date of many absentee voters. The plaintiffs offered no corroborating evidence for the affidavits. They also falsely stated that Republican poll challengers could not observe the count.
Context: The plaintiffs misunderstood the process for verifying and tabulating absentee votes, according to Chris Thomas, the state director of elections in Michigan for 36 years before his retirement in 2017, who submitted an affidavit for the defendants, the City of Detroit and the Detroit Election Commission. He explained that election workers entered Jan. 1, 1900, as a placeholder when the computer system required them to type in a birth date but they could not access that information in the voter file.
Mr. Thomas also said that ballots received on Nov. 3 were entered on Nov. 4 after election workers discovered that they had not previously been fully processed. Finally, he explained that Detroit allows 134 challengers each from the Republican and Democratic Parties, and once those limits were reached, access for a new challenger was allowed when someone left the hall.
Status: On Friday, Chief Judge Timothy M. Kenny of Wayne County Circuit Court deniedthe petition from the pro-Trump side. “It would be an unprecedented exercise of judicial activism for this court to stop the certification process of the Wayne County Board of Canvassers,” Judge Kenny wrote. “Plaintiffs’ interpretation of events is incorrect and not credible.”
Donald J. Trump for President Inc. v. Benson
Filed: Nov. 11
Claim: This is a federal suit that repeats the pending state-court claims of fraud and misconduct in Costantino v. Detroit. The Trump campaign is similarly seeking to block Michigan’s certification of the vote.
The decision to file a second case suggests that the Trump campaign is “trying to try the same case in multiple courtrooms hoping that somebody will provide an endorsement of their baseless conspiracy theories,” said David Fink, an outside lawyer for the city of Detroit.
Context: The plaintiffs submitted more than 230 pages of affidavits from Republican poll challengers. But they described isolated grievances and perceived irregularities, not systemic fraud. “I felt intimidated by union people who were staring at me,” one poll challenger complained. Another said the loud volume of the P.A. system was distracting. A third said a Democratic poll worker told her to “go back to the suburbs, Karen.” A fourth found it suspicious that most of the few dozen ballots he saw counted that were cast by members of the military were votes for Mr. Biden.
Status: Pending.
Donald J. Trump for President Inc. v. Benson
Filed: Nov. 4
Claim: During the ballot counting in Michigan, the Trump campaign sued to stop it. In an affidavit, one poll watcher said another, whom she did not name, told her that she was told by still other poll workers to change the date on which a ballot was received.
Context: This was one of a number of cases the Trump campaign filed in key states to try to stop the counting as the results swung in favor of Mr. Biden.
Status: At a hearing, Judge Cynthia Stephens of the Michigan Court of Claims characterized the affidavit as, “‘I heard someone else say something,’” and said, “Tell me how that is not hearsay. Come on now!” Judge Stephens dismissed the suit on Nov. 5. The Trump campaign’s appeal of her ruling was denied because it lacked the required attachments.
Stoddard, et.al. v City Election Commission of the City of Detroit
Filed: Nov. 4
Claim: A Republican poll challenger and the Election Integrity Fund, a nonprofit organization, sued to stop election workers in Detroit from hand duplicating ballots that could not be read by a machine. The suit also sought to delay certification of the results.
Context: This was an early effort to suggest that mail-in ballots were being handled to benefit Mr. Biden.
Status: Judge Kenny dismissed the suit on Nov. 6. “Plaintiffs fail to identify the occurrence and scope of any alleged violation,” he wrote.
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Ballot counting last week in Philadelphia. Mr. Trump and his allies have lost several cases in Pennsylvania.Ruth Fremson/The New York Times
Pennsylvania
In re: Canvass of Absentee and Mail-In Ballots of Nov. 3, 2020, General Election
Filed: Nov. 10
Claim: On behalf of a voter, the Trump campaign appealed the decision by the Philadelphia County Board of Elections to count five categories of mail-in ballots. Pennsylvania law provides that voters must sign and “fill out” an outer envelope (as well as include an inner security envelope when they return their ballots). This suit challenges a total of 8,349 ballots with outer envelopes that were signed but lacked other information, like the date or the voter’s printed name or street address.
Context: The number of ballots challenged in this suit for minor errors would not be enough to change the election result.
Status: On Friday, Judge James Crumlish of the Court of Common Pleas denied all of the challenges to all five categories of ballots.
Pirkle v. Wolf
Filed: Nov. 10
Claim: Four voters sought to block all votes from Philadelphia, Montgomery, Delaware and Allegheny Counties from being included in the state total, claiming that the state violated the right to equal protection by allowing differing absentee balloting practices among counties.
Before the election, Pennsylvania’s secretary of state, Kathy Boockvar, advised county election officials that “curing” absentee ballots (the term for fixing mistakes like a missing signature) was permitted but not required. As a result, local practices differed to a degree. This suit claims that it was unconstitutional to allow some but not all Philadelphia voters to cure their ballots. The suit also cites Delaware County for allegedly giving in-person ballots to voters who were recorded as having received mail-in ballots without requiring them to sign the registration book at the polls. In Allegheny County, according to the suit, voters were required to vote provisionally when records showed they had requested an absentee ballot but not cast it.
Context: The election system in the United States is highly decentralized and gives considerable authority to state and county officials over how to run elections. As a result, it is common for states to allow some variation in local election practices and to allow voters to cast provisional ballots in a variety of circumstances.
Status: On Thursday night, the law firm representing the Trump campaign, Porter Wright, asked to withdraw. Previously, the plaintiffs asked Judge Matthew Brann of the United States District Court for the Middle District of Pennsylvania to consolidate this case with the next one below.
Donald J. Trump for President v. Boockvar
Filed: Nov. 9
Claim: The Trump campaign is seeking to block the certification of the Pennsylvania election, alleging fraud in mail-in balloting, insufficient access for poll observers and varying procedures for curing ballots among different counties.
The plaintiffs said “Democratic heavy” counties allowed voters to cure their absentee ballots while “Republican heavy” counties did not. They also said ballots were processed in Allegheny County and Philadelphia while poll observers were too far away to see what was happening.
Context: On Election Day, Republican lawyers acknowledged in court that the party’s observers were present at the Pennsylvania Convention Center in Philadelphia when votes were being counted. “I’m sorry, then what’s your problem?” Judge Paul S. Diamond of the United States District Court for the Eastern District of Pennsylvania asked. He granted a modest accommodation, ordering the city election commission to allow poll observers to move closer to the counting.
Status: Judge Brann scheduled oral argument for Nov. 17.
Donald J. Trump for President Inc. v. Bucks County Board of Elections
Filed: Nov. 9
Claim: The Trump campaign and others appealed the decision of the Bucks County Board of Elections to count 2,175 ballots that lacked the voter’s printed name or street address, or the date of signing. The suit also challenged the inclusion of 76 ballots that arrived in unsealed inner envelopes or with markings on them.
Context: Like a number of other suits, this one involves a relatively small number of votes that would not change the outcome.
Status: Judge Robert O. Baldi of the Court of Common Pleas scheduled a hearing for Nov. 17.
Donald J. Trump for President Inc. v. Montgomery County Board of Elections
Filed: Nov. 5
Claim: The Trump campaign and others sued the Montgomery County Board of Elections for notifying voters before Election Day to allow them to fill in missing information on ballot envelopes.
Context: About 600 ballots are at issue. At a hearing, Judge Richard P. Haaz of the Court of Common Pleas asked if the suit included any accusations of fraud. When pressed, the lawyer for the plaintiffs said no.
Status: On Friday, Judge Haaz denied the petition to disqualify the ballots. “Voters should not be disenfranchised by reasonably relying upon voting instructions provided by election officials which are consistent with the Election Code,” he wrote.
Donald J. Trump for President, Inc. et al v. Boockvar et al
Filed: Nov. 4
Claim: The Trump campaign and others challenged guidance that Ms. Boockvar provided to counties before the election, allowing them to tell absentee voters they had until Nov. 12 to provide missing proof of identification.
Context: Pennsylvania law normally sets a deadline for six days after the election, Nov. 9 this year, for providing missing voter ID. Ms. Boockvar, the secretary of state, extended the deadline to Nov. 12 in light of a decision by the Pennsylvania Supreme Court to allow absentee ballots to be counted if they were received by Nov. 6. The extension Ms. Boockvar allowed applied to only a smallnumber of ballots with missing ID that arrived after Nov. 3.
Status: On Nov. 12, Judge Mary Hannah Leavitt of the Commonwealth Court ordered this narrow category of ballots to be excluded from the state count. None of these ballots had yet been included. This is the Trump campaign’s only win so far in postelection litigation.
Republican Party of Pennsylvania v. Boockvar
Filed: Nov. 6
Claim: The Pennsylvania Republican Party asked the Supreme Court to block the counting of ballots received between the end of Election Day and Nov. 6.
Context: In September, the Pennsylvania Supreme Court ruled that ballots could be counted if they were postmarked by Nov. 3 and received by Nov. 6. Republicans then asked the U.S. Supreme Court to block the Pennsylvania court’s ruling. In October, in a 4-to-4 split, the justices let the state court ruling stand. Pennsylvania’s attorney general, however, ordered the late-arriving ballots segregated from the rest of the count.
On Nov. 6, Justice Samuel A. Alito Jr. also ordered the late-arriving ballots segregated. In the end, there were fewer than 10,000 such votes. They have not been included in the reported state total. By themselves, those ballots would not affect the outcome in Pennsylvania.
Status: On Friday, the U.S. Court of Appeals for the Third Circuit ruled that the plaintiffs did not have standing to stop the counting of the late-arriving ballots. The Supreme Court has yet to say whether it will hear the Republicans’ appeal.
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Trump supporters outside the Maricopa County recorder’s office last week in Phoenix.Adriana Zehbrauskas for The New York Times
Arizona
Donald J. Trump for President Inc. v. Hobbs
Filed: Nov. 9
Claims: The Trump campaign claimed that some ballots in Maricopa County were filled out with Sharpie pens. A handful of voters and a poll observer said they saw bleeding ink on these ballots, causing an “overvote” on the other side, and that poll workers were instructed to press a green button on the scanner to accept the votes despite the error. The suit seeks to prevent the supposed “overvotes” from being included in the tally until they are reviewed.
Context: The suit involves only 191 votes for president. At a hearing on Thursday, when one witness was asked if she had a basis to believe her vote was not counted, she answered, “Uh, I’m not sure.”
Status: On Friday, the Trump campaign dropped the suit.
Nevada
Stokke v. Cegavske
Filed: Nov. 5
Claims: Two voters, a poll observer and elected officials, backed by the Trump campaign, claimed there were problems with an automated signature verification machine in Clark County. One of them, Jill Stokke, said at a Trump campaign news conference, “I went to vote and was told I already voted.”
Context: The Clark County registrar of voters, Joe Gloria, investigated Ms. Stokke’s complaint and said that the signature on her absentee ballot appeared to match the one in the voter file, but gave her the option of challenging that vote and casting a provisional ballot. Ms. Stokke refused.
Status: Judge Andrew Gordon of the United States District Court for the District of Nevada denied the plaintiff’s request on Nov. 6 for lack of evidence.
Georgia
Brooks v. Mahoney
Filed: Nov. 11
Claim: Four Republican voters sued over the process of absentee vote counting in several Georgia counties, seeking to exclude all of the votes cast in them from the state total.
The plaintiffs cited isolated instances of fraud. One voter, for example, said his absentee ballot was recorded even though he voted in person. The plaintiffs also claimed that several counties appeared to have more registered voters than their interpretation of census data would suggest was plausible. They cited a study that estimated from past survey data, but without proof, that thousands of noncitizens voted for Mr. Biden.
Context: Georgia is in the middle of a recount.
Status: The suit is pending in the United States District Court for the Southern District of Georgia, Savannah Division.
In re: enforcement of election laws
Filed: Nov. 4
Claim: The Trump campaign sued to prevent ballots from being counted if they were received after 7 p.m. on Election Day.
Context: This was one of the flurry of cases around the country seeking to limit the counting of mail-in ballots.
Status: Judge James F. Bass of the Superior Court of Chatham County dismissed the case on Nov. 5 for lack of evidence.
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Voters on Election Day in West Allis, Wis.Chang W. Lee/The New York Times
Wisconsin
Langenhorst v. Pecore
Filed: Nov. 12
Claim: Four voters sought to exclude all of the votes cast in three counties from Wisconsin’s total based on differences in absentee voting rules among the counties. The suit objected to Milwaukee, Dane and Menominee Counties allowing voters who say they are “indefinitely confined” by age, illness or disability to cast ballots without proving photographic identification. The complaint also cited a handful of voters (identified by only their initials) who said they received absentee ballots without requesting them, and three absentee ballots allegedly completed after they were mailed to deceased people.
Context: This suit makes the same kinds of equal-protection claims as the ones in Brooks v. Mahoney. Both were filed by the conservative lawyer James Bopp.
Status: The case is pending in U.S. District Court for the Eastern District of Wisconsin, Green Bay Division.
101 个评论
拜登和拜登的儿子偷偷摸摸收中共的贿赂。楼主说拜登会沿用川普的政策会对抗中共,依据从何而来?
其实对于你来说,你大可以让时间停在11.7拜登宣布获胜的那一天,何必醒过来呢?继续睡,不要醒,就像何咖啡一样。
这种报道很多。只要搜索“Biden on China”你就会看到许多媒体的报道。当然,如果你认为除了川粉媒体以外,所有的国际媒体都是假新闻,那证据再多也没用。
半岛电视台:
‘More sophistication, more backbone’: Biden’s approach to China | China | Al Jazeera
https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2020/11/13/more-sophistication-more-backbone-bidens-approach-to-china
半岛电视台:
‘More sophistication, more backbone’: Biden’s approach to China | China | Al Jazeera
https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2020/11/13/more-sophistication-more-backbone-bidens-approach-to-china
>>其实对于你来说,你大可以让时间停在11.7拜登宣布获胜的那一天,何必醒过来呢?继续睡,不要醒,就像何...
骂我,攻击我,说我做梦,也不会改变川普选举不利,中共抹黑美国大选,利用选举分裂反共势力的事实。
>>骂我,攻击我,说我做梦,也不会改变川普选举不利,中共抹黑美国大选,利用选举分裂反共势力的事实。
飞碟就这么希望匪军趁乱解放台湾?我可告诉你,庆丰去扬州南京视察东部战区了,司马昭之心路人皆知。很快你就能看出来拜主席的成色了,希望你没有看走眼!
另外不瞒你说,我唯一看不起的一群人不是白左也不是中共,前者是蠢到有了毅力,后者是有能力的邪恶。是你们这种民小黄左,和空喊反战的龙应台一个嘴脸。你们唯一依仗的不过是文明世界的耐心而已。宁可同情麻木的人民,也不要去惋惜清高自傲的知识分子,因为他们欺软怕硬的紧。你们的老祖宗,乔姆斯基还有圣经《纽约时报》,当年第一个为红色高棉大屠杀洗地,还不能说明什么?还有萨特福柯这种老杂碎,当年就是他们阻挠披露苏联的暴行和文革的惨剧。一句话,你们这种人就是欠共产党或者纳粹党收拾,或者伊斯兰圣战者砍头。文明人太爱惜羽毛了。
抹黑?原本就是黑色的需要抹黑吗?另外我把话放在这里,你们也就逍遥最多一代人,90后已经是黄金时代最后的理想主义余晖了。世界各地的00后,他们没有经历过黄金时代的幻光,自然变得更加现实和保守。凯尔·里滕豪斯就是新一代人的英雄,你们的时代就要过去了,再多蹦跶几天吧,秋后的蚂蚱。2020大选的票会开十几年,到时候看看谁赢吧!
一个人成年以后还左,要么没有良心,要么没有脑子,不就是你这种人吗?
你们不喜欢格拉古兄弟这样的爱国改革家,那下一次就是马略苏拉这种带着大军杀元老就像玩一样的军事独裁者了。这7000万人不会消失,不要逼他们太恨你。人民之所以拥戴暴君,只因对腐败元老恨的深沉。可惜元老嫩只有一次选择的机会。
今天就是要和你过不去了,白左尚且可以理解,蠢嘛。黄左就是蔫了吧唧的坏。你们生在当年就是拼命往延安跑的知识分子,一个整风运动全给你整死了。
五毛网军是图钱,他们的坏是低级的,流氓式的。恁这种黄左是什么,让窝佬告诉你,是被挂了路灯还高喊口号的,是被打的脑瘫还高呼腊肉万岁的,是忽悠着上了战场,才知道机枪可以把自己打碎成肉末的炮灰!今天拼了账号不要,也要揭露你这种人渣的真面目。
川普就是太仁慈太文明,如果他真的有希特勒那么狠,恁这种康米分子早该去洗澡了,还能在这里大放厥词,散布失败主义,真是不要脸到极点,没有良心到极点的东西。
川粉:各地法官都被民主黨收買了,美國完了,世界要毀滅了。
为老不尊,越老越肆无忌惮的妖人,就是恁这种魔怔黄左。我见过最下流无耻的左派,也见过最高尚的右派。见过最无耻的共产党员,更见过有良心的纳粹党员。
今天拼了账号被扬了,也不能再纵容这种黄左玩意儿为祸四方。这种东西以后窝见一次骂一次,绝不姑息,追恁到天涯海角,一直盯着恁这种害群之马。We never sleep.
黑名单+1
楼主发贴的时候,川普已经视察完首都里的游行队伍,现在川普正在打高尔夫。川普都不着急,楼主着什么急?
想舔共,舔左,就滚到墙国去,不要欺软怕硬,消费文明人的宽容!真是无耻之尤,从来没有见过这种厚颜无耻的婊子式的废物。
为虎作伥的恶棍,共产党最大的帮凶,文明世界的败类,越老越无耻无能的废物,太监一样不敢出声的怂包软蛋,来啊,懦夫,继续啊,看看你狗嘴里能吐出几颗狗牙来,继续啊!
拜主席赛过亲爷爷,是不是已经写好马屁诗了?可怜的无脊椎动物?
窝佬祝你这种黄左,聪明睿智如瞌睡乔,娶妻就像贺锦丽,有女当如娜塔丽,有子就像小亨特,整个家庭就像拜登家一样搞群P,难产一堆黄左小杂种!
下次资料来源请选人民日报,纽约时报这种不如环球时报的三流报纸,可信度不行!
>>窝佬祝你这种黄左,聪明睿智如瞌睡乔,娶妻就像贺锦丽,有女当如娜塔丽,有子就像小亨特,整个家庭就像拜登...
哈哈哈,可惜一天给一个人点赞的数量有上限。黄左就和普通人家女孩的公主病一样,没有白左的命,却得了白左的病。而且自己得病不够,还得把全东亚人拉下水。
看看他们的话吧:相信媒体,不能让境外敌对势力利用抹黑。——与共产党的宣传何其相似
很难说他们到底是披着美皮的粉红还是纯粹天真烂漫的小公主!
要我说啊,现在还在转MSM的消息是不是还有必要?既然拜登都媒体胜选无疑了,还要报这些新闻干嘛,来点拜登团队的最新动向,执政方针不是更好?何必再给川普曝光率呢,还是说拜登又跑回地下室去了?
这只是川普法律团队的策略:争取时间最快速度把案子递交最高法院。
选举的争端必须要最高法解决,要递交最高法就需要一级级法院上诉上去。
所以川普团队必须在部分案子尽快败诉,然后上诉上一级法院。 所以会出这样看起来匪夷所思的法庭问讯记录。
川普团队就是要尽可能快的输,才能上诉。 赢了怎么上诉?
主要是赶在12月8号前把案子递上去, 否则到时候宪政危机就真的来了。
选举的争端必须要最高法解决,要递交最高法就需要一级级法院上诉上去。
所以川普团队必须在部分案子尽快败诉,然后上诉上一级法院。 所以会出这样看起来匪夷所思的法庭问讯记录。
川普团队就是要尽可能快的输,才能上诉。 赢了怎么上诉?
主要是赶在12月8号前把案子递上去, 否则到时候宪政危机就真的来了。
我只是发一篇有关各地选举官司的新闻。有什么不对?无法接受事实的不是我。很快川粉们又要失望了。
纽约时报是左媒,请引用新闻联播新华社播报来源!
太多川粉在品葱发帖,说的好像法院全面支持川普,我只是只出一个事实。没有别的,官司输就是输了,判决书上网都有。我理解,有时候事实是很难接受的。
楼主发的新闻需要付费才能阅读。如果我们网友不想付费的话,就没法读到新闻原文,我们这样的网友没法验证楼主说的是不是真的。
>>我只是发一篇有关各地选举官司的新闻。有什么不对?无法接受事实的不是我。很快川粉们又要失望了。
我给你点赞。我现在已经不和他们争了。但凡跟他们不同声音都是左人,圣母。我们还是回去当圣母得了。等他们1月20号,观礼完拜登宣誓仪式后,气到血崩,岂不是很好么?哈哈哈。川普必会法律缠身,终身不得解脱,如此作恶,没有证据,就发动人民游行,跟毛腊肉搞文革一模一样。太恶心了。
现在的所有媒体都不敢信了,不管是挺拜登的还是挺川普的,都有点激进的味道。不要再为媒体的报道争论了,看接下来几星期的事态发展才是关键,川普会不会有更大的动作呢?会不会有更多作弊证据被证实?
如果连美国联邦法庭判决都当作是假新闻,我想大家也不用在这里浪费时间讨论普世价值的重要。
你喜欢看就是事实,你不喜欢听就是假新闻。这算什么逻辑?这些官司都是公开的,都有法院判决书,还有好辩论的?
這標題代表美國主流媒體玩標題殺人有中文內容農場的境界了。
黄左嘴炮没用。赶快发动YLM 跟BLM antifa 合流。 发动美国颜色革命
>>实事求是的讲,现在还在装睡的是川粉吧…………
喜欢把自己干的事扣别人头上,也算是你的典型特征了。
因为你就只能看到三尺远,却非要觉得自己能和看得见5公里之外的人「平起平坐」。当然,你生计如此,说再多也对你也是废话。
至于楼主,以及楼主这类人,你们永远不会明白的一件事:川普乃是你们还能如此蹦哒的最后屏障,而你们如此蹦哒的唯一目的和唯一效果,就是把他推倒……
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每当看见你们,我就不能不感叹命运的手腕。
>>喜欢把自己干的事扣别人头上,也算是你的典型特征了。因为你就只能看到三尺远,却非要觉得自己能和看得见5...
我只说了一个事实,你吧我的眼光,特征,目的,意图,乃至未来和命运,都推测了个遍…………不去路边摆摊,可惜了…………
就凭你这头像我就能断定你必输
>>我只说了一个事实,你吧我的眼光,特征,目的,意图,乃至未来和命运,都推测了个遍…………不去路边摆摊,...
在你看来,大概「路边摆摊」就只是「掉身份」的事吧?
很可惜,只有中国人如此,只有中国人认定的世界如此,只有当中国人活在中国人认定的世界里时,一定会如此。包括这种虚伪的「身份」价值在内。
说只看三尺远,你就马上用行动表示,我还是在犯「高估你们」的幼稚病。
>>你喜欢看就是事实,你不喜欢听就是假新闻。这算什么逻辑?这些官司都是公开的,都有法院判决书,还有好辩论...
虽然我也支持特朗普讨厌拜登特别讨厌共锦丽不过没那么偏激,品葱最近的风气是有点极端化。给你点个赞吧,不是赞你的立场,而是赞你的态度。
这些民主党法官哪个不是逢川必反? 你说的理由怎么站得住脚?
引用推特: "@hermit181:一堆民主小清新,对人性之恶毫无认知,却一味迷信制度、迷信既往的信誉和荣耀,才会有中国主流媒体不可信,美国主流媒体不可疑”的荒谬结论。要问他们为什么,可能搜肠刮肚只有一句:那是美国。美国的伟大就在于允许质疑和纠错,就在于承认人性有恶,否则和“伟光正”的中共有何区别?"
引用推特: "@hermit181:一堆民主小清新,对人性之恶毫无认知,却一味迷信制度、迷信既往的信誉和荣耀,才会有中国主流媒体不可信,美国主流媒体不可疑”的荒谬结论。要问他们为什么,可能搜肠刮肚只有一句:那是美国。美国的伟大就在于允许质疑和纠错,就在于承认人性有恶,否则和“伟光正”的中共有何区别?"
>>窝佬祝你这种黄左,聪明睿智如瞌睡乔,娶妻就像贺锦丽,有女当如娜塔丽,有子就像小亨特,整个家庭就像拜登...
太恶毒了Www
附加了全文。谢谢指教。
谢谢。建议葱粉们了解一点,所有的民主国家的候选人参加选举都是为了自己的利益。不要被政治宣传给骗了。一般来说付费的财金新闻是比较准确没有带宣传色彩的。光是今年川普禁止H-1,L-1,J-1 签证就给美国企业带来100,000,000,000美金(100 billion USD)的损失。川普无能控制疫情让中共在国际上嚣张无比,更让美国经济受到严重打击。整个国家搞得一片混乱,川普还可以赢得七千多万选票,实在令人为美国未来担忧。
我看到的就是你们无论左右都在逃避现实,只不过一部分人逃避现实的方式是“川普会翻盘然后继续反共”,另一部分人逃避现实的方式是"拜登上台后会更加反共"。
逃避是没有用的。以逃避现实为前提的讨论更是毫无意义。
逃避是没有用的。以逃避现实为前提的讨论更是毫无意义。
大家也不要太急了,如果樓主說的是真的,那現在確實對川普不利。
不過川普正式開始訴訟是從這周開始的,也不是一點點進展都沒有,官司肯定是有勝有負的。
現在要做的不過是耐心等待啦。而且左媒也許不是假新聞,畢竟臉書都能把川普的稱號從現任總統直接改成正式候選人,可見這些媒體科技公司早就失去了客觀的立場。
這裡面的消息有可能有被誇大的部分,建議各位對比著看。
大家安心等待接下來的消息就是,這才剛開始呢。
不過川普正式開始訴訟是從這周開始的,也不是一點點進展都沒有,官司肯定是有勝有負的。
現在要做的不過是耐心等待啦。而且左媒也許不是假新聞,畢竟臉書都能把川普的稱號從現任總統直接改成正式候選人,可見這些媒體科技公司早就失去了客觀的立場。
這裡面的消息有可能有被誇大的部分,建議各位對比著看。
大家安心等待接下來的消息就是,這才剛開始呢。
>>请问你有任何证据证明这些法官是民主党吗?没有证据请不要抹黑别人,那是中共惯用的伎俩。
自己去查最近各个主要的ruling对应的各个circuit judge(tiktok, 微信, etc.),还有选票出幺蛾子的这些州的高法组成。
另外,如果不住在美国的请搞清楚州里各层权力的党派影响。
>>谢谢。建议葱粉们了解一点,所有的民主国家的候选人参加选举都是为了自己的利益。不要被政治宣传给骗了。一...
搞得好像是川普不作为,连我们中共沦陷地都知道根源在于联邦制
>>我看到的就是你们无论左右都在逃避现实,只不过一部分人逃避现实的方式是“川普会翻盘然后继续反共”,另一...
这事跟反共没啥关系了已经 跟谁上台也没啥关系了 万恶之源还是左媒给所有人都整疯了
本临时川粉就是被左媒恶心的 然后现在川粉也被整的天天伟大胜利 我老都快精神分裂了
川粉:我们的总统每次都会去前线,身先士卒的和我们一起战斗!
拜粉:那有啥,我们的总统每天都在地下室,前线却一天天向他靠近。现在更近了。
拜粉:那有啥,我们的总统每天都在地下室,前线却一天天向他靠近。现在更近了。
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哈哈,你们这群反贼,在国内看ccp为非作歹却无能为力,气到血崩,岂不是很好吗?
以一个东西的成败而不是正义与否做标准,你为什么不去歌颂中共?舞弊现在证据这么多你就张口就来没有证据?那你觉得推特脸书双标审查有没有证据?是不是又要说是审查邪恶的川普所以没问题啊?
不认同你的观点,但是谢谢你用合理的态度反映你的看法。存异求同,互相尊重,这就是那个一党独大,整天做强国梦,用暴力,谎言维持政权的中共最不希望看到的。
没有人在逃避现实。无论左派右派,中间选民,信神者,无神论者,大部分民主国家的选民都知道目前阻碍法治文明继续发展最大的威胁就是共产中国。
事实就是,世上积极颠覆民主法治体系的急先锋就是中共。
看看共产中国在最新的Pew Research民调,14个最先进的国家平均70%对共产中国的态度是非常负面的。
后面还有好戏,疫情还没结束。等着吧。
事实就是,世上积极颠覆民主法治体系的急先锋就是中共。
看看共产中国在最新的Pew Research民调,14个最先进的国家平均70%对共产中国的态度是非常负面的。
后面还有好戏,疫情还没结束。等着吧。
>>没有人在逃避现实。无论左派右派,中间选民,信神者,无神论者,大部分民主国家的选民都知道目前阻碍法治文...
反共不反左,无非是换一个一定会腐化的新共产党而已。
拥戴进步主义,不过是把现在的少数和边缘化群体,捧到中共权贵的位置上去,换个主子而已。
紐時是時空旅人嗎??很多案子甚至還沒開始辦耶…???當然有些案子法院不收或駁回,不過期待記者懂訴訟程序不如期待左膠突然犧牲自己照亮別人😏😏😏😏😏
>>拜登和拜登的儿子偷偷摸摸收中共的贿赂。楼主说拜登会沿用川普的政策会对抗中共,依据从何而来?
真不要相信民主党共和党建制派白左这些骗子,半个世纪了,一直嘴上高喊人权普世价值,实际和红魔一起吃中国屁民的人血馒头。楼主要么是个蠢货要么是个骗子。
>>哈哈,你们这群反贼,在国内看ccp为非作歹却无能为力,气到血崩,岂不是很好吗?以一个东西的成败而不是...
舞弊的证据如此之多,那直接上诉呀。又没有人说不允许就舞弊问题上诉。亚利桑纳州法官以证据不足,已经驳回了上诉了。其他州很快也会这样。你口口声声说的证据,在哪里?视频里几个人出来说作弊就作弊了?有几万人游行,人家就作弊了?直接证据在哪里?
BTW早就拿了别国藉在别国生活了,谁关心CCP呀,韭菜都是那种,但凡人家意见不一样,就要骂,要打的架势,应该活在墙国。那里只有一种声音。越来越觉得赞同某些葱友的想法,应该核平支那,那里的韭菜已经极端到根本就没得救。
>>这种报道很多。只要搜索“Biden on China”你就会看到许多媒体的报道。当然,如果你认为除了...
看到你这么勇敢跟他们辩论,很欣赏。哈哈哈。我把他们踩你的贴,全部点上赞。他们已经被植入了拜登就是坏,川普就是神的概念。但凡说他们神不好的新闻,都是假新闻。每天吃饭时,看看他们的欢乐贴,想着他们很快会梦碎,吃饭都更香了。
>>舞弊的证据如此之多,那直接上诉呀。又没有人说不允许就舞弊问题上诉。亚利桑纳州法官以证据不足,已经驳回...
说实话我现在并不在乎川普能不能上台,我在乎的是民主党能不能下台。很有趣,你提到了只能有一种声音,这正是我恐惧的,我也不在墙国,但目前来看墙、审查这种东西已经扩散了出来,无论是对中政策还是对“进步主义”态度在我看来统统没有言论自由重要。你可以白左,可以圣母,可以认为自己伟大光明正确进步,但你不能堵塞对方发声的权利,在我看来除了明确违背common sense的言论(比如娈童,【故意】造谣诽谤等,可参考美国法律实践中关于言论自由的例外)都不能被审查,比如川普说对方舞弊,那必须要有证据证明川普知道对方没有舞弊还故意这样说才能被censor。我认为垄断地位的社交媒体必须立法严格遵守保障宪法级别的言论自由并公布推荐算法,否则审查权利就会被滥用,互联网将变成反乌托邦的工具。民主党在还未上台的时候就有如此之大的能量侵犯言论自由,他们上台后互联网的言论环境会退化到怎样的地步?
无论是谁,无论他做的其他事多么正确,多么正义,只要他开始审查言论破坏言论自由,那所有自由世界的人都有义务联合起来反抗他。就算他今天看起来审查的是你讨厌的言论,审查的是一个恶魔,也要坚决反对他。“我不支持你的观点,但我誓死捍卫你说话的权利”,因为我知道我今天不捍卫你的权利,明天丧失这个权利的人就是我。言论自由自始至终都是我的底线,你可以了解下我的签名,我对它的追求从没变过,因为我在墙内的时候失去过,所以我知道它是多么的重要和珍贵,任何今天看来可能正确的对言论自由的侵犯未来都将变成极致的邪恶。
>>说实话我现在并不在乎川普能不能上台,我在乎的是民主党能不能下台。很有趣,你提到了只能有一种声音,这正...
我也支持言论自由,但是在欧美,言论自由不是现在才有底线,是从建国之初就有。就是自己的言论自由,不能侵害别人的权力。
举个最直接的例子,在品葱发没有定性的文章或时事,都要标一个未证实的标签。那是不是品葱也没有言论自由,也要审查?川普当然可以指责人家“涉嫌”舞弊,“涉嫌”操纵言论。但是他说的是涉嫌吗?他说的就是。并且他说的就是,却还没有证据。更甚的情况是,他还号召大家去为他游行。他的言论侵害到别人的权力,损害人家的声誉。宪法要保护每一个人的权力。在法官宣判剥夺某人某项权力前,我们就直接剥夺人家的权力,这在极权国家才可能。
7500万的投拜登的人,如果说他们是被民主党洗了脑,那为什么投川的7000万人,就不是被川洗了脑呢?
大佬们还是别为了美国大选翻脸吧,本来就是各有各的政治立场,为啥非得尝试说服对方呢。揶揄揶揄不伤感情,真的骂起来就没必要了。
虽然我也很在意美国媒体这方面的行为,确实是肉眼可见的吃相难看,但是川普确实目前没有什么hard proof是事实,还不如多为他祈祷祈祷🙏
希望无论喜欢还是讨厌拜登都冷静点吧,封号事小,本来反贼就少,彼此还闹掰了就很难受了。
虽然我也很在意美国媒体这方面的行为,确实是肉眼可见的吃相难看,但是川普确实目前没有什么hard proof是事实,还不如多为他祈祷祈祷🙏
希望无论喜欢还是讨厌拜登都冷静点吧,封号事小,本来反贼就少,彼此还闹掰了就很难受了。
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>>我也支持言论自由,但是在欧美,言论自由不是现在才有底线,是从建国之初就有。就是自己的言论自由,不能侵...
黄左怎么一个个中共似的,川普号召游行损害人家声誉?你他妈左媒不要脸的黑川普四年了你怎么说?blm在街上打砸抢你怎么说?川普支持者上个街就是夺取权力真是不要逼脸喔
喜闻乐见的中共思维,反对左逼就是川粉
>>喜闻乐见川粉们的无能狂怒给川普诉讼捐钱参加川普集会游行不见动静,在网上嘴炮倒是身先士卒
喜闻乐见的中共思维,反对左逼就是川粉
>>我也支持言论自由,但是在欧美,言论自由不是现在才有底线,是从建国之初就有。就是自己的言论自由,不能侵...
首先品葱确实没有广义的言论自由,因为它不是垄断social media
biden是public figure,而且是government official,trump也无法证明有actual malice,所以这个言论就不能构成诽谤。而且川普指责fraud的言论被打上为证实的tag还好,但据我所知nyp的账号因为邮件报道都被封了,美国国防部官员发边境墙账号也被封了,与此同时$750tax一直疯传。要是全都一视同仁所有未有有力证据的言论都censor也算你讲究,但这双标是怎么回事?你能证明trump确凿知道biden没有舞弊吗?你既然两边都证明不了actual malice,凭什么只封一边?更何况这还是trump本人,不知道多少普通账号直接被删了。twitter不配230,相对的facebook,youtube也都不配,youtube也封了一堆prageru的视频,这些big tech的存在已经完全破坏了言论自由的基石与土壤,而他们又支持的民主党,那民主党上台后会用反托拉斯法处理他们吗?不会处理的话自由世界的言论自由何在?
>>黄左怎么一个个中共似的,川普号召游行损害人家声誉?你他妈左媒不要脸的黑川普四年了你怎么说?blm在街...
看你说什么不要逼脸,就不准再回了。没什么好说的了。
>>首先品葱确实没有广义的言论自由,因为它不是垄断social mediabiden是public fi...
我觉得呢,争辩多了也累。你说再多,我说再多,各自都在自己的思维体系里。加上我也不在美国,谁当总统,跟我关系也不大。纯粹只是看到论坛里,但凡有不支持川的,都被一群人围攻,看不惯一言堂。才来说一说。
我只是坚信,川普1月下台后,会终其剩下的一生,埋没在各种官司中。我就天天打开网页,喝着我的咖啡,看看这个独裁者的下肠。剧终。再有别人来辩来骂的,我也不回了。我等1月20日后再上葱坛。
>>我也支持言论自由,但是在欧美,言论自由不是现在才有底线,是从建国之初就有。就是自己的言论自由,不能侵...
请教一个问题,川普未用“涉嫌”两个字,他直接说人家舞弊了。在这里,能不能认为,这只是川普的个人观点和看法,并不一定是事实。所以,虽然他没有加上“涉嫌”两个字,但他的推特内容也可以留在那里,不被标注disputed
>>请教一个问题,川普未用“涉嫌”两个字,他直接说人家舞弊了。在这里,能不能认为,这只是川普的个人观点和...
他的内容不是留在推上吗?就是被标注了disputed(有争议的,尚无定论的)。用“有争议的,尚无定论的”来描述现在的状况,我觉得是很适当的呀。并没有删除他的内容呀。这样都说是言论控制?
>>他的内容不是留在推上吗?就是被标注了disputed(有争议的,尚无定论的)。用“有争议的,尚无定论...
到时候一起歌颂伟大领袖维尼熊吧!你也跑不了!
>>看你说什么不要逼脸,就不准再回了。没什么好说的了。
说到你的痛处了:双标
>>我觉得呢,争辩多了也累。你说再多,我说再多,各自都在自己的思维体系里。加上我也不在美国,谁当总统,跟...
666,川普都成独裁者了,他要是独裁者先把左逼全部关集中营才对,黄左早该成肥皂了
>>我觉得呢,争辩多了也累。你说再多,我说再多,各自都在自己的思维体系里。加上我也不在美国,谁当总统,跟...
传统艺能,回避问题,顾左右而言他,“我退网了,loser”
>>大佬们还是别为了美国大选翻脸吧,本来就是各有各的政治立场,为啥非得尝试说服对方呢。揶揄揶揄不伤感情,...
“本来反贼就少,彼此还闹掰了就很难受了”,此言差矣,如果一个人自称反贼,但支持BLM打砸抢,big tech控评封号,政客靠舞弊上台,这样的反贼还指望做些啥
>>我觉得呢,争辩多了也累。你说再多,我说再多,各自都在自己的思维体系里。加上我也不在美国,谁当总统,跟...
同意,搞阴谋论的就和五毛一样,无论现实是什么样,他们都能发现“蛛丝马迹”来证明他们那一套东西。即使最后川普的官司一败涂地,拜登当选,他们依然会有种种理由来“证明”选举舞弊。最好的方法就是不搭理他们,做自己该做的事情就好,既然时间会给出答案,又何必急于一时
>>听起来挺有道理,可是问题是,如果在州的层面赢了的话,是产生不了作用吗?
赢了拜登方面会上诉,但是他们会用一些手段拖延,这样主动权就不在川普方手里。
实际上最可能情况是如果川普团队认真在州法庭或者巡回上诉庭和拜登打官司的话,就会陷入烂泥战,而
话语权在拜登那边,他们就可以浑水摸鱼。 只有尽快把案子推进到最高法院,再提供足够证据,获得最高法院有利于川普方的判决,才是最有利于川普的,因为川普还有行政权,出师有名就可以采取行动。
>>赢了拜登方面会上诉,但是他们会用一些手段拖延,这样主动权就不在川普方手里。实际上最可能情况是如果川普...
可是川普方面的證據的數量及強度都不足,上訴到最高法院會面臨一樣問題
>>可是川普方面的證據的數量及強度都不足,上訴到最高法院會面臨一樣問題
证据当然不可能全部放出来, 最关键时刻才可以放出来,就是最高院的时候,这样对方才没有对应时间。 一下把牌全打出来不是菜鸟吗? 两边都是最人精的人才,搞的案子是关系多少人身家性命的惊天大案,智商还比不过甄嬛传那种过家家,什么都摆出来吗?开玩笑
>>赢了拜登方面会上诉,但是他们会用一些手段拖延,这样主动权就不在川普方手里。实际上最可能情况是如果川普...
而且要赢就要把关键证据摆出来,而很多证据一旦公开,拜登方面就有机会在后面做相应动作弥补漏洞,这样打到最高法院时候,很多证据就有可能受到伤害,胜算就下降了。 你们看看法庭咨询记录,川普方律师简直像白痴,没有什么有力证据就去起诉,川普请的律师是白痴吗?肯定不是,所以只能解释他们故意为之。 这次大选就是一次战争,不追求一城一池得失,为最后决战:最高法判决 做出全力准备。一旦最高法院宣布有利于川普的判决甚至宣布大规模作弊的选举违宪,前天参联会主席才宣誓美军效忠宪法, 那么拜登和他的所有盟友再负隅顽抗,那就等着美军动手收拾他们了
>>我给你点赞。我现在已经不和他们争了。但凡跟他们不同声音都是左人,圣母。我们还是回去当圣母得了。等他们...
卧槽!是谁说你们左派是圣母的,简直侮辱了圣母这个词...
左派明明是跟中共一路货色,大搞言论审查,控制媒体和教育,还拉清单。
左派目前就是中共的低配版,一旦真正掌权,就会完全露出嘴脸。看看当年毛泽东怎么骗人的... 简直是重复历史
>>我觉得呢,争辩多了也累。你说再多,我说再多,各自都在自己的思维体系里。加上我也不在美国,谁当总统,跟...整了半天你原来不在美国?